I'm curious on what the MAGA boyz think of this sionist.
Is this Onion? Why shouldn’t pope talk about theology? I thought it is like his area of expertise?
It is literally his job description to do so.
They think he fights crime
In his popemobile? Understandable.
To a fucking POPE of all people... Jesus Dumbass Vance, go back to fucking sofas.
What's even crazier is people being surprised...
Like, people honestly think conservatives are actually religious and they use religion to dictate their politics and not the other way around.
Think of all the leaders who told the Pope to fuck off in history. Nothing but great successes. Surely we're winning.
Henry VIII didn’t do so badly for himself.
But I think one of the issues here is that if you’re going to opine on matters of theology, you’ve got to be careful. You’ve got to make sure it’s anchored in the truth
Oh dear, somebody has a lot of catching up to do. Start with Council of Nicea and go from there.
FUN FACT: Council of Nicea was formed to settle the age old debate of "should priests cut off their balls or not? On the one hand, Jesus said to do so... on the other hand, my balls."
I think time and experience has proved Jesus right - priests should definitely cut off their bollocks.
Quite a Protestant think to say, for a supposed Catholic.
MAGA is JD’s religion now.
JD's religion is and anyways has been whatever is most politically expedient at the moment. Dude is a snake in the grass when no actual morals or convictions.
They're really going with 'lets pick a moral fight with the Pope'.
... I actually have trouble comprehending this, because it is so obviously a politically stupid thing to do.
JD is apparently considerably more lost in the sauce than I thought, has od'd on his own fart sniffing.
It really is wild how immesenly hubristic this all is, but it does serve as a very useful illustration to the rest of the world to drive home the idea that American Christians (TM) quite literally think they speak with the authority of God himself, which is broadly regarded as insane heresy by most other Christians in most of the world.
They're idiot fascists to the core, and its like 30% of the country that is this way.
"they're very low IQ." "Stupid" "losers" all of these weak insults, and they never, ever give examples of such. "How so are they losers?" "What makes you say they're stupid?" There's never any push back. These are the things a bully says because they're insecure and don't know why. There's no evidence or thought given to these insults.
How is the Pope weak on crime? Show me when the Pope said Iran should have nukes. This is the most basic push back. The media just lets him say whatever without questioning it.
Fascists don't use language the way normal people do.
They don't believe in 'truth' or 'reality' as most people understand it.
They believe that things just are the way they say they are, because they said so.
They primarily use rhetoric, and pathos.
Logos, logic, actually being correct or truthful... they only employ these things to the extent that they can aid either a rhetorical or emotional appeal.
Their entire strategy is 'create a collective delusion / cult that appeals to the weak and gullible'.
Trying to evaluate the things they say, logically, is generally a waste of time.
The proper way to converse with a fascist is by breaking their jaw with a baseball bat, to disarm them of their weaponized nonsense projection machines.
Fascists believe language is a weapon, not a means of having a discussion.
Their real language is violence, so you must commincate with them in their native tongue, to succesfully convey any 'meaning' to them.
So says the imbecile who quoted a Pulp Fiction as a bible verse, during a sermon that he gave, for which he has no skills or qualifications.
That was actually Pete Hesgeth, but your point stands regardless.
Ah, blimey, thanks for the correction. Mixed up my Nazis
vance would know, he reaped the last pope.
Excuse me, but did Juliette Dianne Vance just challenge the Pope on theology?
Juliette Dianne Vance
CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES
THIS IS MY LAST RESORT
Maybe we need a youtube documentary from somebody exploring the emo to fascist pipeline...
If a core Catholic belief is the pope is infallible, especially in the domain of theology & religion, then why is Vance saying any of this? Sure seems like his “Catholicism” is name alone or perhaps his faith is more Protestant than he wants to admit. Or, he has values above his faith, and for a Catholic, that seems worse.
Whatever, Jan.
Edit: I’m ex-Catholic. I don’t need a theology lesson about the specifics. What the Pope is expressing here is within the domain of church doctrine.
Stop trying to defend fascists with pedantic details.
The Pope should just excommunicate the couchfucker.
The pope needs to excommunicate JD
JD bout to start MAGA Catholicism and install himself as the pope.
A antipope you say? That hasn't happened in a long time.
I wasn't aware the Pope was a law enforcement official, or a foreign policy official. Gosh, where would we be without these little gems Trump keeps dropping?
As absolute monarch, he is in fact both of these thkngs.
“Was God on the side of the Americans who liberated France from the Nazis? [...] I certainly think the answer is yes."
So, if you assume God did not like fascists in the 1940s - what makes you think he has changed his mind to now support you and your ilk, couch boy? That's a mighty big plank to pull from that eye of yours.
JD’s political career is over after this regime
Take him into a backroom with promises of a soft couch.
Then just fucking shoot him in the head. Lights out. No fanfare. Just gone.
Tell him he's getting a promotion
Every member of this administration, past, present, and future, need to be held accountable when this is over. If we don't do that, then the Constitution, our laws, will continue to erode when the next batch of grifters show up to push the envelope to see how far they can bend and break the rules.
Was God on the side of the Americans who liberated France from the Nazis? Was God on the side of the Americans who liberated Holocaust camps and liberated those, those innocent people, you know, those who had survived the Holocaust?
What a silly question. It's silly because it's based on the idea that God is a being who would pick sides in the first place. It is generally commonly thought by believers that we are all God's children. When your children get in a fight do you pick sides and cheer for one of them to kick the other's ass? I would hope not. I would hope that, as a parent, you would step in and try and stop the fight.
Assuming there is a God, I would hope he/she/it would just be terribly disappointed in all the children involved for not finding a way to settle their differences peacefully.
It’s silly because it’s based on the idea that God is a being who would pick sides in the first place.
If you read the Bible, you'll find that God picked sides immediately, and has never stopped. He even has a "Chosen People", you can't possibly pick sides any further.
We may all be God's children, but remember, God is perfectly fine with murdering billions of His children, and not only that, He tortures them with Hell forever after. He can't even let them die in peace.
Yes, it is certainly silly, which makes it all the more horrifying
"You shall know them by their fruits." - Jesus Christ
Neither Trump nor Vance are Christians.
How can he call himself a catholic while disrespecting his own religious leader
Because his real faith is money
My take on this is that the Night of the Long Knives has clearly started in Trump's inner circle and Vance (sent to no-win scenarios in Hungary and Pakistan while Trump and Rubio were bro-bonding without him) is starting to feel on thin ice.
So he's trying to demonstrate how far backwards he can bend over to justify anything Trump decides to crap on Truth Social.
JD Vance lying about his truthfulness and integrity, both of which are non-existent.
Are they trying to make an American Orthodox Church or something like that?
The Pentagon already threatened it mafia-style.
“In January, behind closed doors at the Pentagon, Under Secretary of War for Policy Elbridge Colby summoned Cardinal Christophe Pierre — Pope Leo XIV’s then-ambassador to the United States — and delivered a lecture,” said Hale.
“America has the military power to do whatever it wants in the world,” Colby and his associates informed the cardinal. “The Catholic Church had better take its side.”
As the room temperature grew, Hale said he confirmed that one U.S. official “reached for a fourteenth-century weapon and invoked the Avignon Papacy, the period when the French Crown used military force to bend the bishop of Rome to its will.”
During the period in question, there were two Popes. One in the Vatican, and one in Avignon. I'm fairly certain that if the Vatican doesn't bend to Trump's will, there will soon be a Church of America with it's own Pope.
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