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submitted 2 years ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

So yeah title says it all, currently around 8 months into a new hospital position and I've been extending my feelers out and doing job apps and got back invites to the start of preliminary interviews for some other jobs (mainly cuss there is likely going to be no significant pay raises for all us new hires until 2 years out so fuck that).

Bring this up to parents though and they have the weirdest attitude as though I'm betraying my company as well as shooting myself in the foot even though if I got some of these positions I'm interviewing for I'd see a huge pay bump and really good benefits (one of them is a state gig and has a damned good pension plan with only 5 years to be vested fully).

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[-] [email protected] 73 points 2 years ago

They also don't understand the hellish nightmare that every step of the job hunting process is for neurodivergent people

[-] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago

The slightly younger Xer junior boomers also have no idea how much "open offices" fucking suck for anyone who isn't a dudebro social parasite that needs to make noise and harass coworkers and subordinates all day.

[-] [email protected] 43 points 2 years ago

Every day the noise and lights and constant interruptions/task changing are driving me insane and I'm so fucking drained I can't jump through all the hoops to look for a new job

I'll probably just have a massive nervous breakdown and send a resignation after I leave and can't stop crying for hours

[-] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago

I know this feeling, and I really hope it doesn't come to that. I hope you get free and find something that makes you feel fulfilled and cared for.

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[-] [email protected] 63 points 2 years ago

Boomers are insufferable when it comes to basically anything involving employment.

I'm gonna rant.

Their misplaced loyalty or what I would call "cuckholdery" to their employers is... pathetic. Every employee creates some amount of surplus value which their employer syphons off and calls profit. This is the fundamentals of everything. To he grateful or whatever to the person who steals from you day after day is... well, it's cuckholdery. No better word for it, imo.

During "their day," most of them are now retired or nearing retirement very soon, (I'm assuming we are discussing actual boomers ie people in that broad generation from like 1945-1965 or whatever) you could feasibly get a job in 1970, work for 30 or 40 years and retire in 2000 or 2010 with a decent pension. They see staying at a job for decades as normal because it was for them, and maybe it could be normal, but capitalists have made it not the case.

I also generally hate that people in their 60s+ have apparently no fucking concept of inflation and wages and the fact that they have not kept up at all. I've legit heard so many boomers and gen Xers whine, in earnest, about "kids demanding $15/hr!" and how ridiculous it is. It's like, bro. If you make $15/hr almost anywhere in the country, you have to work full time and split bills with someone else to kinda sorta make it and live anything close to a normal life. Like a life where you can afford a week or two off a year to travel somewhere or buy a new phone every couple years or eat out a few times a month. Not exactly luxuries, but boomers act like if you have a cell phone you should stfu and be grateful. As if mobile phones didn't become essentially mandatory in the last decade. At least the ability to receive calls and texts. You can go without, but again, achieving "normal" is the minimum, imo. And normal at this point means having a phone. Sorry, boomers!

And speaking of inflation, they have no idea how much housing costs relative to wages. Sorry, it Uncle Bob, it isn't 1967 anymore and houses aren't $20000 when you make $10000 a year. I'm exaggerating? Google it. MFers could fully pay off a HOUSE in maybe 10 years. That's crazy. That's insane. That's probably how "it should be" if a country insists on treating housing as a commodity. Instead they slowly stretched prices up to force 30 year mortgages and that's the norm for a few decades now.

Btw, job resumes are bullshit. People don't think about them much because it seems common sense. They kinda are, but the bullshit part isn't having your contact info and a few job titles you held in the past. That's basically fine. Even putting numbers for coworkers or ex-bosses is probably fine to verify people did something. The problem is... the whole "other shit" part of it. How it needs to be formatted in way to tingle the brain of a moron in HR (not sorry HR people- you know what you are. I rip my brother's HR ass all the time). How people "care" or it's considered "bad" to take a year off or even years off. Like how you have to explain that. W H Y? Why does any human get to ask and why does anyone have to feel compelled to answer that question? "Because this system sucks donkey cocks and I took a year to chill at my parents and paid them by cutting the grass and cleaning up dog shit. Why the fuck do you care, you're gonna make as much off me whether I slaved away for that year or not."

Resumes are absolutely the result of petty-tyrants in HR having far too much influence and I don't give a shit what anyone says.

Fuck this shit.

[-] [email protected] 45 points 2 years ago

I honestly believe the “not knowing how much housing costs” thing is the worst boomer trait of them all. Anyone can look up house prices at any time, there’s no excuse for thinking that you can get affordable housing because “I did when I was your age” or whatever bullshit.

[-] [email protected] 44 points 2 years ago

Nah, they know. Plenty of boomers know their house is worth a shit ton of money now. They just refuse to accept that their kids have to pay that much. It's cognitive dissonance.

[-] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago

I bought my house for $20 and a dog I didn’t want anymore, now I’m selling it for $4,000,000.

JUST DO THAT.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago

That’s my point. They know, but they refuse to accept it. They think that even though their house is worth 20x what they paid for it, somehow there must be more affordable options. The alternative is accepting that things are, in fact, harder for young people than it was for them, and that’s the boomer red line.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago

And good luck trying to get them to admit that their kids have it harder than them. Because if that's the case, then they can't feel like warriors that powered through impossible odds anymore.

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[-] [email protected] 28 points 2 years ago

Btw, job resumes are bullshit. People don't think about them much because it seems common sense. They kinda are, but the bullshit part isn't having your contact info and a few job titles you held in the past. That's basically fine. Even putting numbers for coworkers or ex-bosses is probably fine to verify people did something. The problem is... the whole "other shit" part of it. How it needs to be formatted in way to tingle the brain of a moron in HR (not sorry HR people- you know what you are. I rip my brother's HR ass all the time). How people "care" or it's considered "bad" to take a year off or even years off. Like how you have to explain that. W H Y? Why does any human get to ask and why does anyone have to feel compelled to answer that question? "Because this system sucks donkey cocks and I took a year to chill at my parents and paid them by cutting the grass and cleaning up dog shit. Why the fuck do you care, you're gonna make as much off me whether I slaved away for that year or not." Resumes are absolutely the result of petty-tyrants in HR having far too much influence and I don't give a shit what anyone says.

This. As far as work goes, I could forgive all of the boomer shit. All of it. If they weren't so damn picky and refused to hire people. If they didn't just assume everyone is superhuman and will get a decade of experience out college, or that they're okay with training people. It would be one thing If I was applying to be a doctor or something where that education and background experience are required, but porky treats every job like you're applying to be a doctor.

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[-] [email protected] 47 points 2 years ago

one of my boomer relatives always said the best time to start looking for a new job is right after you got hired

[-] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

A rare example of a boomer being based and not trapped in their shit mentality

[-] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago

We love our good boomers folks grillman

[-] [email protected] 41 points 2 years ago

The fucked up bit is that they are back writing their own history. Data shows people job hopped way more in the 60's and 70's than now. Job hopping us a sign if a healthy economy.

[-] [email protected] 39 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I live in Japan, and it's insane here. I get judged both for changing jobs and spending too much time in deadend ESL jobs with no hope of a promotion. I once got caught off-guard at an interview because it was my first one in 2 years and I'd forgotten that they'd want a reason for why I left a job more than 15 years ago.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

That's fucking insane, 15 years I'd be hard pressed to remember anything really

[-] [email protected] 39 points 2 years ago

I figured out 40 years ago that the only way to get any significant pay increase was to hop jobs. Loyalty to the company is a suckers bet, they have zero loyalty to you, you owe nothing to them.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

Exactly, I'm tempted to not even do a two weeks notice and instead cashout my PTO and do a personal vacay

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[-] [email protected] 38 points 2 years ago

youre-laughing you're laughing. You betrayed your company and you're laughing

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[-] [email protected] 34 points 2 years ago

Why did boomers have kids anyway? They all seem to hate us. My dad loves reminding me how he didn't really want kids and how he hated my mom. Why the fuck did you marry and impregnate here then?!?!?!?

[-] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago

that sounds more like a personal issue your dad has possibly linked to societal pressure

[-] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago

I've meet a lot of millennials who say their parents acted annoyed and off put by them, or just flat out say they didn't want them like mine. I've meet boomers who say they hate their kids. I think there is a trend here.

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago

Why did boomers have kids anyway? They all seem to hate us.

That is a really good question. Even if they don't say they hate us, the fact that they got theirs and kicked away the ladder, after selling us a bill of goods about college meaning we'll all be set. Then enjoying like 25 years of avacado toast and millenials are killing the x industry bullshit, never asking why we don't actually have houses. Seems like hate to me.

They put their parents in homes and are keeping us from having them. Its fascinating how in virtually one generation they completely broke how families have lived and taken care of each other for like 100,000 years.

Disclaimer: generational stuff is bullshit, and "not all boomers" or whatever random boomer defenders need to here.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

Disclaimer: generational stuff is bullshit, and "not all boomers" or whatever random boomer defenders need to here.

People say this, but idk who, and I can't find it myself, but someone here posts stats sometimes that seem to back up the stereotype. Boomers weren't only more right leaning than their kids, but even their parents, apparently the silent generation was more progressive than Boomers.

And while everyone likes to focus on the counter culture of the 60s and 70s, in reality the far right was doing well with the youth back then too. The 70s was actually a great time for young republicans groups. The hippies were anything a reaction to the reactionary tendencies of their peers.

Idk what to blame it one but it does seem this one generation did veer way more regressive than most others.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

Idk what to blame it one but it does seem this one generation did veer way more regressive than most others.

They're are material reasons for this. Its just still very shocking and feels very personal if you had the misfortune to have them as parents.

The perception of what is normal to boomers is so extermely abnormal to basically all of humanity. They lived through an exterme anomaly but instead of being aware or greatful, they instead believe that the extreme prosperity and privelege enjoyed by white Americans during that time is actually the norm for all people.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

It's a combination of societal norms to get married and have kids and the instinctual drive most people have to have sex (which obviously leads to kids). The societal norm of having kids is likely due to economic concerns because for most of history children would provide free agricultural labour. This will probably slowly shift as having kids is now an economic drain because we don't want kids to work in the mines.

[-] [email protected] 32 points 2 years ago

The "Old Boys Club" isn't a profit maximizing decision so we don't do it anymore.

[-] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago

I think back in their days, staying at a company actually did work out to being paid more whereas it's flipped these days. I've had these same discussions with my boomer parents too.

[-] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago

I'm betraying my company

che-laugh

[-] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's legal, it's normal, people upset about "mercenary" attitudes for fucking jobs should experience being out of money lol ("mercenary" as in going to the highest bidder, not killing for money, lol). They are just mad we are playing their game without their shitty houserules that say to ignore the rules that help us

[-] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago

mercenary

this word technically just refers to being motivated my money or material considerations. Yeah you got me I do my job because I want to be paid a wage

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[-] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago

Yeah I have absolutely no qualms about saying ignore your parents, they're completely wrong.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago

Some interviewers definitely care about length of time at your previous jobs. I interview people for software development jobs and I'm a developer myself. I'm not going to pass up on someone for it or anything, but if a person has left a recent job in less than a year I want to know why. I don't want to spend 3 months getting someone up to speed on our project just to have them leave 3 months later.

For a lot of jobs you're right, no one cares, but for anything with longer training periods, licensing exams, or other upfront costs job hopping is a potential problem

[-] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

I want to know why.

Yeah but this is a lie 100% of the time. lmao

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[-] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago

job hopping also kills any possibility of union building so no matter what you do you are still being played by capitalist interests. you're not being a fucking rebel by getting 5% more of your surplus value after moving halfway across the country

[-] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yeah it's not rebellion but it does have an upward effect. Be nice if people just stayed put and massively bullied the boss collectively instead of very slightly bullying the boss on their own

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[-] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago

Boomers really don't understand

yea it do be like that

[-] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago

Depending on what industry you work in, you either gotta be ready to job hop or get fucked over by restructuring. I made the mistake of trying to make good on a commitment to a job. Now I've been jobless for months and trying back into retail until something good opens up near me.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'm in healthcare so it's a special level of Hell I unwisely chose to get educated in, hoping to move into a state job in the next couple months.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago

I think the best way to get them to pipe down about all the 'loyalty' stuff is to present it as a move where you do intend to stick around at the next job (esp that state one, pension @5 years sounds dope)- I've job hopped a bit and saying, "I realized that job wasn't for me long-term so I moved on" is totally acceptable to interviewers.

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[-] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

the world used to work by the rules that saying in the same company a long time was the thing good for your career. Which was probably better for everyone as it was less disruptive.

Recently corporate culture has changed when they decided they don't want to reward loyalty anymore on the assumption that loyal people don't need incentives to stay

as my dad says anyone loyal to their company these days is just a mug

[-] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

That shit sadly only works with pensions and pensions only exist for government jobs and the few rare jobs still protected with good unions

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