Trump is now caught in the oldest trap of modern warfare – believing a swift, surgical military operation will yield quick, enduring political results. The Soviets did it in Afghanistan; the US in Iraq in 2003; Putin did it in Ukraine, and is still fighting. Whatever force a military fails or succeeds in applying at the start, the people it is attacking have greater commitment to defending their lands and homes.

The White House may have rushed into this, seizing the opportunity for a decapitation strike, provided by Israeli intelligence. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has very different objectives regionally, and a long US involvement against Tehran suits his desire for an Iran in rolling collapse that is no longer a threat. But the death of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei on February 28 has caused as many problems as it has solved.

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[–] 136 points 7 months ago (7 children)

Generally what happens when you start a forever war.

It's the only thing Republicans do other than taxcuts for the rich and fucking up the economy.

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  • [+] 68 points 7 months ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)
  • [–] 88 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    This dude started presidency with zero major crises, and has created at least three.

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    [–] 72 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    I don’t see why he’d want it to stop. He’s been actively destroying the US for the overwhelming majority of his presidency. If he benefits the US at large, it’s major news to me. A stone rolling downhill shouldn’t be news.

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    [–] 53 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Israel said that it worked for them, and all they want is sufficient disruption to continue their own invasions. Trump is the fool for so so many reasons.

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    [–] 49 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    You opened this can of worms, now lie in it.

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  • [–] 24 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

    You opened this can of worms, now lie in it.

    He's already choking in them too.

    And imo, ofcourse he can end this whenever he wants to. Strategically and morally this operation makes zero sense. Not that anything he's said or un-said, or started and or ( never) ended ever did. And no, I don't think Iranians will come better out of this. It's another humanitarian disaster in the making. He's a destructive asshole. # edit Iran not Iraq ofc.

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    [–] 43 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    EVERY war ever fought was going to be over in a month with an overwhelming victory, and yet, it NEVER happens.

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  • [–] 31 points 7 months ago

    Except in the first US gulf war, back in the early 90s. (Kuwait was attacked by Iraq. The USA spent months preparing and then three days attacking. Then stopped when Iraq surrendered.)

    Or the fall of the USSR. (Happened in about a month, no major fighting.)

    Or the Russian annexation of Crimea.

    It isn't that short military exercises never yield results. It's that wars persist until both attacker and defender believe peace is the best tactic.

    The USA bombing a country for whom fighting the USA is essentially their national myth is possibly the dumbest thing that my country has ever done.

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  • [–] 39 points 7 months ago

    "Wars begin when you will, but they do not end when you please" - Niccolo Machiavelli

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  • [–] 35 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Trump, as an individual may not have a way out. Remember, Epstein was Mossad-trained and probably shared a lot of useful dirt with Israel.

    But there is always a path to peace; and in this case it starts with the US backing off. Iran doesn’t have much capacity for war beyond protecting itself.

    Exactly the same as how there’s a way for Russia to have peace in Ukraine.

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago* (4 children)

    The implication I haven't seen explicitly mentioned in the article (which it should be! Bad article) is "there is no way for Trump to stop the war without losing face and thus his power".

    The reason they keep going is because otherwise they have to admit they were wrong. And probably not only wrong, but knowingly wrong, which equals malicious. And admitting that you're malicious is bad, even with your most loyal supporters. The only way to not have that happen is to just keep going and act as if everything is fine, which is what's happening.

    The actual "path to peace" is very very simple, you just have to retreat your troops. It's supremely unlikely Iran will attack halfway around the globe with their infrastructure.

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  • [–] 35 points 7 months ago

    The man isn't even able to prevent himself from shitting his pants.

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  • [–] 35 points 7 months ago (11 children)

    Calling it now, when striking military targets fails to get surrender, we will switch to war crimes, Israel and then the US will start hitting water, food, and transportation infrastructure.

    The only way to get victory from this war is genocide.

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago

    They already have been. I know that at least one water desalination plant was hit. Civilian fuel infrastructure has been hit. The US openly stated they're going to try to cripple their industrial capacity. Seems the US has adopted Israel's Dahiya doctrine which targets civilian infrastructure. I think Trump said once the US is done there will be nobody left to surrender...

    “At some point I don't think there will be anybody left, maybe to say ‘we surrender.’ They’re being decimated.”

    • Donald Trump
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    [–] 29 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Well, now we all know what happens when you make a felon rapist pedo the most influential person on the planet.

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    [–] 27 points 7 months ago

    That fat cunt is unable to keep it's trousers clean from it's own shit.

    So how the fuck anyone thinks that that waffling pile of dementia riddled syphilis can unfuck the murdering of schoolgirls in this Epstein war is laughable at best.

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  • [–] 27 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    The only thing « they » won is a larger distraction from the Epstein files of a pedophile president.

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  • [–] 26 points 7 months ago

    I mean, he could stop the war tomorrow by handing himself over to the Iranian authorities.

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago

    It’s almost like there was some sort of reason why no one else was stupid enough to do this.

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago

    Trump can't even end his own bowel movements, it just randomly starts, leaks, and stops. I am sorry, but expecting him to control anything when he can't control his own bowels is an awfully big ask.

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  • [–] 22 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    It is pretty endable. We just give them our republican leaders and any democrat leaders that were in favor.

    There will be some sort of financial reimbursement.

    Might be able to spin it around and offer college admission to their students to help bridge the damage.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago* (5 children)

    Honestly I believe Iran would accept:

    • Full sanctions relief
    • Return to IAEA inspections
    • Pinky-promise not to attack again
    • Fake reparations program spread out over 30 years

    The alternative is:

    • The US is evicted from the Persian Gulf
    • The US fucks off from Iraq, and Iraq gets an Iran-friendly government
    • Bahrain gets regime change
    • All goods through the strait are now controlled by Iran

    The worse/better alternative is:

    • Pipelines and refineries in the Arabian nations go boom
    • All US/Israel trade through the Red Sea is blocked
    • US is starved out of Djibouti
    • Iran gets a nuclear weapon and says they're going to "test it" on Tel Aviv unless Netanyahu sucks a donkey dick on OnlyFans

    Choose wisely, pedophile scum

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    I'm willing to bet this is Trumps and by extension America's 3 day special operation. And I mean that down to the expectation this would all be over in 3-4 days after the extensive bombing and killing of the upper leadership in the first day.

    Instead Iran was all "nah we're good, we've been preparing for this day for 15-20 years". And started fucking up the whole region.

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    [–] 14 points 7 months ago

    Iran gets a vote.

    And that's it. This war is going to at least last through November because Iran now wants to hurt Donald politically.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Wars begin when you will, but they do not end when you please – Niccolo Machiavelli

    Orange fucker deserves what's coming to him.

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    [–] 11 points 7 months ago

    Correction: the war Netanyahu started, and Trump followed along with

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago

    I hope it hangs around the neck of every feckless congressperson that votes not to keep their constitutional powers

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (11 children)

    He's going to bomb until he's bored and then stop. That's why it's going to be air only (maybe ground special ops), air only is easy to stop. Well the US part is easy to stop, then it's when does Iran stop.

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    Iran seems to making it clear they will not be stopping soon, regardless of what Trump does. Trump has been trying to send Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner back in for "negotiations" (they were in the middle of "negotiations" when Trump attacked), but the Iranians have said "fuck no, it's too late."

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    [–] 9 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    War is a choice, he could end it right now.

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  • [–] 24 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I know the first thing I would do is stop shooting at the nation that bombed and killed my family and 100+ kids because they stopped first.

    We have radicalized an entire nation against the US for no reason anyone can actually explain. The only thing we taught every nation is that we can bomb you and take your leaders captive if you do not have nukes.

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