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[–] 84 points 5 months ago (2 children)

TOS came out at a time when people still talked of Columbus discovering america.

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  • [–] 53 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    TOS came out at a time when Columbus was still being held in high regard. :)

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Quick search suggests that the people of Columbia are still pretty happy with the name.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Meanwhile the people of Ohio's capital aren't

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  • [–] 28 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I live in NYC and no one is actually pushing to get rid of Columbus Circle.

    otoh, Trump has a Building right on Columbus Circle, so maybe we should ask Mamdani to rename it Obama Circle.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (1 child)
  • That's the part of the story I can find funny. Columbus made four trips to the New World, set up colonies, and explored. He never set foot on the American mainland but he saw it with his own eyes, sailing up and down the Mexican coast looking for the Singapore Straight, which he obviously never found because it was busy being on the other side of the planet. He went to his deathbed believing he'd visited Asia. It wasn't until Mr. Vespucci made it all the way to Argentina before going "Dudes...there's no fucking way we're in the Philippines. There isn't a landmass thousands of miles long in the Philippines."

    And he was right, which is why AMERICA! FUCK YEA!

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  • [–] 49 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    To be fair, it would be a boring show if they didn’t.

    Ship enters orbit of a planet

    ‘Spock, what do our scans show?’

    ‘Intense geologic activity, no atmosphere, no life signs.’

    Ship spends the next 3 months in orbit collecting data, moves on to the next target

    ‘Spock, what do our scans show?’

    ‘Planet is frozen, no geologic activity, no life signs.’

    Ship spends the next 3 months in orbit collecting data

    Realistic sci fi is waaayyy too boring for a general audience.

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  • [–] [S] 26 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I choose to believe that it's usually like that, and we're just seeing the days where something interesting happens.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (4 children)
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    [–] 41 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I mean the original line was "where no man has gone before" which at least made sense, although it didn't represent the female crew very well.

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  • [–] 73 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    English uses 'man' and 'mankind' interchangeably.

    Grammatically, 'no man' makes more sense than 'no one.'

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  • [–] [S] 24 points 5 months ago* (5 children)

    I've always thought it was an odd change. I get why they did it, but the original clearly wasn't being used in the way the change implies.

    It has the same energy as saying that you can't use the term "whitelist" and must substitute "allowlist", or "master bedroom" to "primary bedroom", or that time they changed "monkeypox" to "m-pox".

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    "Master bedroom" being changed is such a silly one. That term wasn't even used until the 20th century and referred to the master of the household. It has nothing to do with slave masters.

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    [–] 34 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    It was a list:

    • to explore strange new worlds
    • seek out new life and new civilizations
    • boldly go where no one has gone before
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    [–] 33 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Where no MAN has gone before. Therefore plenty of space chicks

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    [–] 19 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Just watched an episode where they literally went to a section of space completely absent of all energy and matter and still somehow met this

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    [–] 13 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    TBF in the ToS it was ”Where no man has gone before”, not “Where no one has gone before.”

    So if it was aliens then the statement was correct, we’d just have to skip all the weird human populated worlds they found.

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    [–] 11 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Well, it was supposed to be where no 'man' has gone before, but people had to whine about it, and here we are.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    The people who were already there didn’t go there if they were always there

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    [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    There wasn't even coffee in the nebula

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    I mean, isn't this basically what every European did in the Americas and Africa?

    Columbus: "Look, I'm the first human being ever to set foot here!"

    200 Taíno people staring at him wondering WTF was going on

    Columbus: "Look, I planted a flag, that way if anyone else ever comes here, they'll know this is Spanish land now."

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    There are parts where no one has gone, but landing on a barren rock probably isn't a good story

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    [–] 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

    As progressive as the show was for its time, it is informed by narratives of the settler imperialism that helped Europeans "conquer the new world".

    There's a reason why the intro casts space as "the final frontier." The frontier myth and its accompanying ideology of Manifest Destiny still formed the widely accepted version of U.S. history. Not the land-grabbing, genociding, slavery-spreading version we know today.

    Bonus thought: Exploring space was obviously a big thing back then so it's understandable how Roddenberry came up with this line. But when you really think about it, time is the final frontier that we haven't managed to break through yet. Not space.

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    [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    Just empire things.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago*

    They said no "one". They can go places as long as there are many things there.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    And not just natives (who are invariably human shaped), they often have entire databases of info on them from presumably when they were "discovered".

    Mass Effect was a better sci fi universe and I'll die on that hill.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago

    I don't even think many people will disagree with that. The appealing thing about Star Trek was always the utopia, the idealism, the philosophical questions, and (in some cases) the sciency details. Most attempts to make Star Trek into some kind of uber-galactic-struggle-between-alien-races or quest-to-avoid-the-destruction-of-the-universe that were the focus of many later sci-fi shows ended up making it worse.

    As fully fledged sci-fi universes that were explicitly written with these "big" stories in mind, Mass Effect or The Expanse are clearly ahead.

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    [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    The further we go the more we find ourselves.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    Look, they are trying.
    They just keep getting distracted on the way and where overtaken.

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    [–] 5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Eh. You don't have to be the first person to discover something to discover it. This is what people always miss with the vapid line about Columbus not discovering the Americas. Sure, there were already people there. But the vast majority of the human population in 1492 was ignorant of the very existence of the American continents. And their discovery instituted an epochal change that upended both the Americas and the old world.

    We can condemn genocide and displacement without becoming pedantic gotcha warriors.

    If all that matters is the first person to discover something, no scientist in human history has ever discovered anything. After all, relativity was probably first discovered 5 billion years ago by some alien physicist living several galaxies away.

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