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Support for violence to resist feminism was highest among adolescent boys (28%), followed closely by adolescent girls (21%).

Perhaps most alarming: roughly 40% of boys aged 13 to 17 agreed that women lie about domestic and sexual violence.

These results raise crucial questions going forward. We don’t yet know how these views have changed over time, whether they are on the rise and what the links are between violent extremism and the negative treatment of women.

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[-] ulterno@programming.dev 31 points 3 days ago

How many of them believe that everyone lies?

"women lie about DV...", will go both ways. You will also find some that are in those conditions and will not tell others or even try to hide it (for what reasons, I can't really tell).

Until we know about the actual wording of the survey, there is no way to tell what exactly they are interpreting.
I also have a feeling that the people who conducted the survey, might be misinterpreting the answers.

[-] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago

Yeah I'm curious how it was asked.

Cause of course women get abused that 100% is true, but there are definitely some women who lie about it. How many? Who knows. I would like to say only a few but I have no data to support it, I can only say it's most likely non-zero.

[-] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 points 18 hours ago

It’s not “most likely” non-zero, it’s definitely non-zero.

[-] ulterno@programming.dev 2 points 2 days ago

At the same time, there have been quite a few high-profile cases where the women used relevant laws to cause misery to others.
Because in those cases, even if the defender ends up as not-guilty, he still most probably loses a job and more.

There is a fundamental problem with how the laws made for these things are executed.
They end up being inadequate to help enough of the vulnerable women (corresponding to unreported cases) and at the same time, too powerful to prevent malicious use (corresponding to fake cases).

[-] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 points 18 hours ago

You just have to look at places like this - an accusation is proof of guilt to many in here, and not even a not guilty verdict or the charges being dropped will convince them otherwise.

Accusations alone are life destroying. The system needs to change. Everyone involved should remain anonymous until and unless a guilty verdict is reached in a criminal case.

For civil cases imo it should remain anonymous even if there is a guilty verdict because the bar for a guilty verdict is woefully low.

[-] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

the banner photo has them looking like thugs, so you think the article has a slant about how young men are evil blah balh.

the entire article is a frames itself as 'awareness of evil young men' piece and equates young men 'not being feminists' to be alt-right.

It's a trash sensationalist article, drumming up gender war bullshit and fear. I have two young nephews, who basically refuse to date because their experiences with women have been so full of drama and misery they decided to just give up. They are 16 and 17. They aren't feminists either. They'd rather game whit their friends and play sports because it's rewarding and fun, dating for them has been miserable and exhausting and depressing because the girls they know incessantly lie and cause drama and try to cause fights.

I feel bad for them because when I was their age, there was no social media an dating was fun. They live in an age where teenage girls basically think all men are trash for not driving Bentley's or whatever nonsense they follow on social media. There is a lot of toxic content aimed at women that is just as awful as the manosphere, but nobody is talking about pointing out horrible sexist content that is for women is 'misogyny'

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[-] Nath@aussie.zone 58 points 3 days ago

Holy engagement bait, Batman! What a terrible headline.

Yes, it is a fact that women lie about domestic and sexual violence. I've seen first-hand a family seriously impacted by a false accusation. The son was detained in prison for a year, the parents took out a mortgage on their home to defend the case and finally the girl admitted in court that she fabricated the whole thing. The son was acquitted. These cases happen. Here's a fairly broad paper on the matter discussing several deeper studies spanning several countries including Australia, Canada and the UK.

Among the seven studies that attempted some degree of scrutiny of police classifications and/or applied a definition of false reporting at least similar to that of the IACP, the rate of false reporting, given the many sources of potential variation in findings, is relatively consistent:

  • 2.1% (Heenan & Murray, 2006)
  • 2.5% (Kelly et al., 2005)
  • 3.0% (McCahill et al., 1979)
  • 5.9% (the present study)
  • 6.8% (Lonsway & Archambault, 2008)
  • 8.3% (Grace et al., 1992)
  • 10.3% (Clark & Lewis, 1977)
  • 10.9% (Harris & Grace, 1999)

With that out of the way, let's move on to the elephant in the room:

IN OVER 90% OF CASES, THE RAPES WERE CREDIBLE! FALSE ACCUSATIONS ARE THE EXCEPTION!!

[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 3 days ago

Tbf that's lies that make it to court, I've been lied about and had friends also be lied about, but the girls (we were all kids at the time) didn't take it to court, they just tried to assassinate our character and get us shunned for life by everyone we knew without involving the system that would make them prove anything.

Thankfully in my case I had witnesses and in my buddy's he had an alibi, but still, it's a pretty rude thing to lie about. But I think most of the lies shake out like that, they usually don't get reported to the actual authorities, just circulated like a rumor.

[-] ozymandias@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 days ago

this is why i hate the “believe women” thing….
the problem was people not believing women by default… that’s objectively terrible.
doing the exact opposite is also terrible.

(i’ve seen a false accusation too… i also know of people who were SA’d with no investigation and nobody caring)

i’ve also never heard of someone being prosecuted for a false accusation either… it’s all terrible

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[-] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

They do. There’s actually a lot more sexual violence happening than anyone wants to admit.

Eat shit, yutes

[-] excral@feddit.org 33 points 3 days ago

I need to know, how that question was phrased, otherwise that 40% number is completly meaningless. The two extremes would be "Do you think a woman has ever lied about domestic and sexual violence?", or "Do you think all reports by a woman of domestic and sexual violence are a lie?". In the first case a significant share would answer yes, because a single false claim ever makes that statement correct. The opposite is true for the second phrasing, where a single correct claim makes that statement false. The real phrasing is probably somewhere in between, but even then you could heavily influence the outcome with subtle changes to the phrasing.

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[-] fizzle@quokk.au 59 points 3 days ago

Misogyny is certainly a huge issue among young men.

I'm not sure about this research though. It's always concerning when they don't publish the actual data and questions et cetera.

Perhaps most alarming: roughly 40% of boys aged 13 to 17 agreed that women lie about domestic and sexual violence.

This one really, really depends on the question. Both men and women often lie and say that their partner doesn't hit them. This is pretty well known actually. You'd have to be pretty naive to think it doesn't happen.

Occasionally I'm sure that both men and women do lie and say that their partner does hit them, for a variety of complex reasons. An acquaintance of mine, a woman, signed a declaration to say that her partner hit her and then during court proceedings she admitted that was a false statement. Uh oh. Anyhow, it's certainly a thing that happens.

Does that mean all women who claim to be victims of domestic abuse are liars? Certainly not. But are lies told about domestic violence? Of course.

Support for violence to resist feminism was highest among adolescent boys (28%), followed closely by adolescent girls (21%).

This is also curious. Obviously alarming, but how does one use violence to resist feminism? I'm genuinely confused as to what is meant by this. If you had asked 15 year old me, not really knowing what feminism is, I would have assumed it meant some kind of armed uprising of women, and yeah I would have said that in that context violence is ok.

Some respondents justified violence in the private sphere. If a woman disobeys in the home, a man should be able to control her with violence.

I notice that this fiery little truth bomb is tempered to "some respondents". How many is some? I guess 2 at least.

Again, misogyny is a huge problem. It would be extraordinarily difficult to be a female teacher. My son is too young to have encountered this stuff but it's definitely on my mind as we navigate the coming years. However, I think this article is intended to be incendiary rather than tease out the nuance revealed by their "research".

[-] Fleur_@aussie.zone 15 points 3 days ago

Absolutely, I was so frustrated that I couldn't find the data. They didn't show their working so all I have to go on in terms of believing them is their reputation.

[-] CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

This was a preview summary of the data that's awaiting publication by the University of Melbourne. It covered 1,100 people aged 13-17, and has been written by the Professor of Educational Psychology & Learning, Faculty of Education, The University of Melbourne.

[-] Fleur_@aussie.zone 24 points 3 days ago

Right so that's who did the research but it doesn't show the results or their methodology. These are super important things to know!

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[-] porcoesphino@mander.xyz 37 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Downvoting not because the topic is unimportant but because the new study is run by this news agency without publishing their questions or methodology. That seems like running for a headline with little concern for accuracy or scientific methods. I could be wrong but until they are more open we don't know

Edit: If you ignore the authors then the above is a pretty reasonable interpretation but it was written by some university researchers. They are surprisingly unclear (to me) in the body for what study exactly they are referencing to, at least in their opening paragraphs. Still, it doesn't seem to be a survey from the conversation so I'm going to remove the downvote

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[-] Fleur_@aussie.zone 34 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Read the comments in this thread, read this:

"Social research has shown boys and men increasingly feel alienated, humiliated or uncertain about their place in the world."

We just need to call young men stupid one more time guys and gender equality will be achieved. No wonder they feel they're being lied to.

[-] Cypher@aussie.zone 20 points 3 days ago

The number of people jumping in to call adolescent boys morons for having a slightly higher response rate to a very poorly framed question is ridiculous.

The idiots here are the people who wrote the survey.

Of course women lie about domestic violence.

They lie to protect themselves. They lie out of fear.

Some women, though a vanishingly small minority, lie to weaponise the legal system against their partner.

Labelling this acknowledgment of reality, which has nuance to it, as extremist is just going to make more young men hostile to feminism.

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[-] craiglambie42@fosstodon.org 5 points 2 days ago

@CurlyWurlies4All @Fleur_ @Fishnoodle after reading all the comments here, only 1 person commented on the what I think is the reason they published this article.
The fact that social media influencers are driving a wedge between boy and girls.
And the solution....
That attitudes can be changed with education shifts, and some success is being had in Australian schools.

To me the article was to deliver the message. Social media for kids is bad. Changing the curriculum is a good thing.

[-] Canconda@lemmy.ca 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I genuinely question if this is some sort of trend and not just how it has always been.

Cuz 40% of teenage boys being idiots seems kind of timeless. Definitely lines up with the numbers we're seeing in adult men.

[-] shads@lemy.lol 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Right from the start I will state I know the plural of anecdote isn't evidence. But I have a friend who has given up teaching year 11/12 athletic development and now teaches grade 7 pe. Primary reason is the mysoginistic shit she had to put up with from the boys who felt their gender made them better at anything sports related than her. She would compete in triathlon in her spare time with all the training & commitment that entails, and yet the podgy, vaping 18yo man children would tell jokes with each other about how she should go back to the kitchen "where she belongs".

When we were discussing this amongst a group that included 3 other female teachers every one of them agreed they are seeing more of that sort of crap every year. My guess would be all the Manosphere brainrot is having an effect. Couple that with kids around that age feeling the urge to be as edgy as possible...

I have noticed once or twice that my sons have started talking that way due to a combination of online and peer influence and I have stepped in to disabuse them of the notion that their chromosomes make them special or superior. But it's the world they live in and I pity the kids without a parent who is keeping any eye on them.

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[-] Madrigal@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

Just remember, folks, divide & conquer is the oldest trick in the book.

They want us fighting the culture wars so we don’t fight the class war.

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[-] blind3rdeye@aussie.zone 7 points 3 days ago

Lemmy's gender-imbalance is clear in the comment section of this thread. We're getting some variety of opinions, but a pretty obviously narrow frame of reference - and that kind of sucks.

[-] hamid@crazypeople.online 2 points 1 day ago

Lemmy is distilled redditor men

[-] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 14 points 3 days ago

I see comments ranging across the spectrum. Some uncritically accepting the interpretations in the article and calling the respondents nazis, others questioning the research methodology such as how exactly those survey questions were phrased and whether the response simply boils down to negating an absolute.

That might be called many things, but I wouldn't call it a narrow frame of reference.

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[-] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I don't think that a poll which indicates that one in five girls supports violence to resist feminism should be interpreted without any reservations, as this article seems to be doing. The number of adolescents who support endorsing violence in order to mess with uptight pollsters is apparently quite high...

As for lying - it's a matter of fact that people, including women making accusations of serious crimes, sometimes lie. Maybe there's more to that question than is presented in the article?

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