Travel insurance is a scam. I used to pay Allianz for cancellation insurance every trip but the one time I needed to claim it they denied it.
It's not safe to travel to the US while pregnant or sick, they will take everything from you.
It's just not safe to travel there ever
I love the 'Achually, you are supposed to beg the hospitals and rely on your insurance shady deals." Comments in this thread.
Just so we are clear, you know the US is the only country with running water that also charges it's citizens to remain alive, right?
This is NOT normal. Not the amount, the situation.
Insurance company trying to evade one job it is supposed to do
You pay them to keep their lawyers on retainer
You get hired to help out a business in a emergency situation. You do nothing and get paid month after month. A couple years go by and finally the phone rings.
Hey man, we really need you right now! Come on in!
"Claim denied, I will see you in court."
insurance
Some of them probably don't even have the means to help, they just get lawyers to avoid accountability and write ridiculous terms for their policies, and in the EXTREME case they actually need to fix something they probably outsource it lol
"But what about helping our people Bob!?"
From what I've heard from Americans working in hospitals is that this bill is what the hospital writes but they only charge a small amount and declare the rest at their own insurance as a loss. So the couple would end up with a bill of a few hundred dollars, nothing more. This is common practice, is what those people told me. I don't know if this is the case in every state though. But it sure is one weird fucked up system.
Insurance companies make deals with hospitals along the lines of "We'll pay 1k for this procedure which should cost 300 bucks, or 40% of your standard rates, whichever is lower." So the standard rate becomes 1600.
Then the insurance company will require a 40% "copay" based on the standard rates, and the patient ends up paying the $1000 and the insurance company doesn't pay shit despite collecting hundreds a month in premiums.
If you tell them you don't have insurance they'll frequently discount the fee to the $300 it should cost.
Is that a legitimate business strategy?
I just send my customer a bill for a ridiculous amount, then my customer negotiates for something significantly less, and I can write off the difference?
There must be more to this. It's too good to be true.
I've also read stories from people who have negotiated how much of their bill they paid. Fucked up indeed.
Our first baby was born 5 weeks early and had to spend about 3 weeks in the NICU before we could take him home. Nothing major, just monitoring and a careful feeding regimen to make sure he would make it, as sensitive as they are when born that early.
My wife had to pay $30 for the 3 days she rented a bed in the maternity ward ($10/day). That was our total bill.
Second child we paid nothing.
Nothing negotiated, just how it works in my country. ✌️
And we have people in Canada that want to go to the American system.
Is made me realize there are a lot of people who will vote against their own interests as long as their neighbors can't possibly get undue benefit.
US health insurance pulled the same shitty tactic on me with my first born.
Both our kids were charged 6,000 to be born . . . Fun trick, where they charge the baby, since the mother has probably hit their out of pocket max, and that lets them jack it to the family max.
More Luigis please.
Can't you declare bankruptcy for the kids then? Though that would probably fuck with the credit score? But I have no clue how that works.
I feel like you should be able to tell them to go fuck themselves, since children can't sign contracts.
Oh, that's the fun part of it - it's your debt, but on the children's insurance. They're moving the care from one patient to another (to max out family out of pocket charges), but the parents are on the contract and can be sued.
Not trying to victim blame but do not go to America.
After a nine month legal battle, Zurich has reversed its decision and told the BBC it was sorry for the stress caused.
Yeah, very sorry I'm sure. Oopsie, we accidentally fought a nine month legal battle to avoid paying out the exact thing the insurance is for
Arguing the care wasn't covered because the baby wasn't named in the insurance despite explicitly covering pregnancy-related care is ghoulish behavior. I can't fathom how you can argue that seriously and not feel like a piece of shit.
"We've now strengthened and clarified our wording and guidance so other families travelling abroad at this stage of a pregnancy do not have to go through this experience."
TLDR: the next couple is fucked
Only $200k? They got a deal there.
"Why is no one having babies anymore?"
Ah yes, the United States -- Don't get sick or you will have to fight tooth and nail to get your insurance company to pay for necessary medical care. This is a story heard over and over again stateside. If the U.S. was truly the best place in the world to live, this would simply not happen. As a person who has worked in healthcare in the U.S. for over 15 years, I feel this in my bones. I am glad you could get legal help and have the right outcome based on what you paid for. I would love nothing more than to see everyone who comes to the U.S. receive medical care appropriately -- Nobody asks to get sick :(
That's one expensive citizenship
How's the US still a country, how do people just put up with it.
Around 50 years of near constant propaganda from our media convincing people that the government paying for anything is destructive to the economy and that taxing rich people more that poor people is not fair.
And that Black people will get benefits if we have social programs, and can't have that.
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