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[-] AnonyMouse_Box@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Kind of misses the point, UK is focused on trying to fix the shit show that is Westminster and Whitehall, the very people who pinned the blame for everything on the EU for 40 years after unilaterally signing us up for their own business interests. EU is not our concern right now, we have bigger problems.

[-] essell@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Does this have to be mutually exclusive?

My impression is that Westminster is a bunch of people putting on a show, wilst the unaccountable beaurocrates were actually passing laws that mattered and benefited the people.

Its like a division of labour. If Westminster isn't interested in governing, only grandstanding, why not rejoin?

[-] AnonyMouse_Box@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

Because it just adds extra layers to the problem that will be abused by those in power to make themselves untouchable. That and Brussels isn't exactly a saint itself, we need better government that is accountable to the people, not edicts handed down from on high. Its also worth noting pretty much everything good the EU did for us the UK was already working towards for itself anyway, all we really lost was a say in what goes on, which given how consistently we were ignored at that level, we didn't really have anyway.

[-] leraje@piefed.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 day ago

Unofficially via trade agreements and defence agreements, yes - and that process is already underway. Officially as a full official member - not for at least a generation. The country needs its English Thatcherite Gen Xers - the flag shaggers and mini-roundabout painters - to die off before that can happen.

And to be honest, given how much fucking stress this country caused the EU and also given we're now about as powerful as a weak sneeze I'm hard pressed to think of a reason why they'd even want us back.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 0 points 21 hours ago
[-] GandalftheBlack@feddit.org 19 points 2 days ago

I would love it, but I don't hold out hope. If we did, I would fully expect us to make plenty of concessions and agree to extra restrictions to stop us leaving the next time a prime minister wants to appease the eurosceptics. But I think what's much more likely is continued re-integration into EU/European networks and systems from outside the EU at a higher cost than before. It might be humiliating to nationalists, but at the end of the day our future is bound to that of the rest of Europe and working together is a matter of survival, not principle.

[-] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

I don't see the EU allowing the UK to keep the pound if they rejoin which at present is a complete deal-breaker even for most remain voters.

[-] Muehe@lemmy.ml 2 points 12 hours ago

Several EU member countries never introduced the Euro, e.g. Denmark and Hungary, so I don't see why the UK couldn't keep the pound. Participation in the common currency has always been entirely optional.

[-] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 2 days ago

More likely, not rejoining, but rejoining in all but name by making basically the same trade deals

This time with zero power to veto any of them, the worst of both worlds

[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 5 points 2 days ago

Northern Ireland is still in the customs union, just with zero democratic representation and annoying customs forms when trying to trade with the mainland.

Granted, I like it because it means we are strategically important. A business here can do business with both the UK and the EU. We also had the UK's discounted tariffs for the USA. We're kind of a funny special economic zone.

[-] huppakee@piefed.social 1 points 22 hours ago

We're kind of a funny special economic zone.

Goals

[-] radiouser@crazypeople.online 35 points 2 days ago

I doubt it. Most "Reform-types" won't accept Brexit wasn't a good thing for the common person.

As they say; it's easier to trick someone than to convince them they've been tricked.

[-] yuumei@feddit.uk 20 points 2 days ago

I would vote for it. Drop the pound just to spite the boomers who pulled the ladder up.

[-] Tuuktuuk@anarchist.nexus 3 points 1 day ago

Joining the EU would mean dropping the Pound anyhow.

[-] moderatecentrist@feddit.uk 3 points 1 day ago

I think the UK could eventually rejoin the EU but it's not going to happen soon. Brexiteers are probably a minority of the British population now (Brexiteers tend to be older, and some of those voters have passed away since the Brexit referendum). But the pro-Brexit camp has wealthy backers who will kick up a fuss.

Maybe what will happen is more indecision and half measures for the next 10 or 20 years, perhaps followed by another referendum that would take us back into the EU.

As for terms, it depends on what the EU would insist. Perhaps they would insist upon the UK adopting the Euro.

[-] Tuuktuuk@anarchist.nexus 4 points 1 day ago

There's no insistence on UK adopting the Euro.

Any new member state adopts the Euro and joins the Schengen area. This is not something to insist, it's just a rule that exists regardless of insisting or not insisting. Or insisting to not insist – whatever.

If the UK ever joins the EU, it will also join the Euro. It's not really something that is up for debate.

As a unitedstatesian, I was genuinely baffled by Brexit - particularly the political establishment’s insistence on following the referendum despite the significant numbers of people who stated it was a protest vote, and all the analysis that said it would be rather economically catastrophic.

But nope: See that brick wall? Let’s floor it and hope for the best, wcgw?

[-] 20dogs@feddit.uk 2 points 21 hours ago

Surely that's a good thing that the government followed through on its promise to respect the democratic result.

It’s a lot more nuanced than that. They also refused to do another referendum when it became clear that public sentiment didn’t actually support it.

[-] moderatecentrist@feddit.uk 4 points 1 day ago

The Brexit phenomenon is very similar to the Trump phenomenon. Populist, anti-immigrant, nationalist sentiment.

[-] Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago

Exactly why "protest votes" are such a monumentally stupid idea. In a referendum, people vote for what outcome the people want, and the people will get what they voted for. Do they think the ballot box is supposed to be able to tell who genuinely wanted to leave the EU and who was just being a cheeky asshole?

[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 11 points 2 days ago

My mum voted brexit and she regrets it. She says such an issue shouldn't have been put to a refurrendum as the average person didn't know what the EU was, so they just had to be lied to for a few months.

[-] Lemming421@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago

If you don’t know, vote to keep the status quo. Or don’t vote. What the fuck did she think she was doing?

Jesus, these people.

[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 3 points 2 days ago

She thought the EU was just unnecessary bureaucracy

[-] Fedditor385@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

It is, no doubt. But she failed to see the benefits that came with it. It's not pick and choose, you get the benefits in exchange for also taking the downsides.

[-] Lemming421@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I guess she was right that it should never have been put to referendum if that’s what the average person thought.

I agree - there’s multiple very thorough levels of stupid at play with regards to Brexit

[-] Fedditor385@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

The best of democracy - if people choose to abolish democracy it and appoint a totalitarian cult leader for life - it would be undemocratic to prevent the will of the people.

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[-] Egonallanon@feddit.uk 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

If it is it's probaly a long way down the line. The current poll leading right wing party has a very strong eurosceptic streak to it (well all the right wing parties do) and as long as they're around in any capacity it will be hard to get that through. There's the fact I think the topic is just a massive hot potato too. The political process that led up to brexit and the brexot process itself was a fucking mess and I think there is a level of national exhaustion over it despite polling long showing that everyone has worked out brexit was a terrible idea/ most the folks who voted for brexit are dead.

You'll see some closer relationship being forged in the form of some sort of trade deal or some kind of Norway like situation much sooner, indeed o think the current labour government are angling for something like that but not sure of the details.

[-] flamingos@feddit.uk 12 points 2 days ago

I actually think full membership is pretty unlikely, at least in the short to medium term. Well, unless we get a Lib Dem majority government (not going to happen). The far-right hate the EU because their brains have been cooked on Telegraph and Murdoch slop and the left is flirting with MMT, something the fiscal rules of the Lisbon treaty prohibits.

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[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 12 points 2 days ago

Yes, but we'll be have a customs union first with a services agreement as well.

I don't see us taking the Euro. I just don't think anyone wants to surrender economic policy to the ECB, and the last time we tried to go through the ERM process it ended very badly. The GBP is too heavily traded in it's own right to maintain the exchange rates in a tight enough band for long enough.

[-] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I don't see any benefit for the EU for services, so I don't think they'll agree to it without full membership of the single market and the four freedoms.

[-] jondale@feddit.uk 11 points 2 days ago

I think the EU would need some sort of 'Brenter' poll first, to see if the spoilt brat of the family would be welcomed back, what with all our needy requirements about keeping our own currency etc. I can't see it personally for a long time as there's still that resistance to change things that are viewed as 'ours' and changing them to something viewed as 'theirs'. We never really fully committed to it the first time. Hopefully we'll see the need to join the 'middle powers' in some kind of alliance though.

[-] Tuuktuuk@anarchist.nexus 2 points 1 day ago

I'd say, make it unambiguously clear that joining the EU means joining the Euro and joining the Schengen area. Then require at least 67,7 % "Yes" in a poll.

I would prefer UK not joining us without these requirements fulfilled. And yes, other's may join with just 50 % "yes", but they don't have a history of quitting the EU.

[-] bdonvr 7 points 2 days ago

I think most would be okay if they didn't get preferred treatment. Gotta adopt the Euro. No Schengen opt out. Etc. Years long process just like everyone.

We all know it wouldn't happen anyhow.

[-] BenchpressMuyDebil@szmer.info 8 points 2 days ago

How is this related to buying european goods and services?

[-] KryptonNerd@slrpnk.net 8 points 2 days ago

It affects how easy it is for people in one European country to purchase goods from another European country. It also affects how aligned the regulatory framework of the UK is with the rest of Europe, which impacts the types of goods and services that get made/sold there

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[-] OhNoMoreLemmy@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago

Most of the country wants it but the politicians don't want to give the far right any excuses. 

What we're seeing is closer and closer alignment until we end up as a defacto member of the common market, but without a say over the rules.

If we end up rejoining it will probably take more than a decade and it will be under the default rules, just because the EU can't be bothered to deal with British exceptionalism again.

[-] vpol@feddit.uk 6 points 2 days ago

I hope so. At least economic/defence/no_border part of the union.

[-] notsosure@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago

Shouldn’t you be asking the EU for the terms? I’m not sure they want them back, not with Garage as the next PM.

[-] Tuuktuuk@anarchist.nexus 1 points 1 day ago

I dunno... Why not? What's so special about UK that they should stay out if Macedonia can join?

Maybe there should be an exception that the UK poll should have a 67,7 % "yes" instead of the standard 50 %, but otherwise I don't see why we couldn't apply the same rules we apply to everyone else around. They're welcome :)

[-] Caesium@lemmy.wtf 0 points 1 day ago

I doubt it will happen, but it would be a strong political gesture - a clear signal to those hoping to undermine our unity and the EU as a whole.

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