UK here. Starmer went full TERF for some moronic reason (far from his first bad decision), but we still have only non-gender-specific toilets at my rather large workplace. So it's bigoted and nasty, but it hasn't been applied with the fascist zeal that it would be in the States.

Because it's a list about safety, not about beliefs. Regardless of what "the country says", you are not in any danger if you disagree. And outside of that issue, it's a very welcoming country for LGBT folks (yes, including T, despite what the government may say).

Especially since it's in the context of travel, so citizen rights are less relevant as they don't apply to you anyway, and it's much more relevant how you are going to be treated as a tourist, as you choose from the several LGBT friendly pubs down the road.

And that's still hyper focusing on one issue, totally ignoring the list also concerns safety for women and people of color, which can bring you up on the list.

Hell yeah, men noorderburen! (Aka: de niet verlegen scheten die Nederlands praten) ❤️🫡

Absolutely - I was going to say, Spain is head and shoulders above the UK for LGBT safety (those are the only two countries I've spent a lot of time in recently).

Also worth noting, I've been in the non-touristy parts of north Vietnam for a month now (much more conservative than the south), and having talked to quite a few LGBT people here, it's safe to live as an openly queer person, they just occasionally have to put up with assholes ... just like everywhere else. And as a guiri, even the assholes don't want to confront me, an obviously queer woman.

I don't think it's surprising the lists differ a lot.

• Living there - will be more about the governments beliefs, and the law
• Travel - will be more about what everyday people think and treat others

These are often very different, on any issue.

I'm surprised that the Netherlands don't make it into the top 10 though. My German view is definitely biased, but when I travel there it just feels like (well, used to feel like) they got other stuff to think about than other people's gender and sexuality. Be what you want to be, as long as you're going to our coffee shops kind of. As basically all European countries are shifting to the right more and more, I imagine the relaxed climate has also changed. Also the Netherlands are more than just the big cities, God knows how LGBTQA+ friendly they are in Overjissel. I only played cow cricket there.

I'm not a woman, nor LGBTQ+, but to me at least, this graph looks a lot closer to reality.

This is interesting, but I felt the measures used aren't right. It's to be expected that a leader who's antagonising your country would be disliked, even when their ideology is similar to yours.

To be able to compare well enough in the little time I have in my busy life, I had to go by a methodology that is not perfect but allows some comparison. It's the Political Compass.

According to this site, during the 2025 federal elections, the Conservative party was 8,7 (economic scale and social scale respectively), while Trump was 9,9 during the last presidential elections. It means Trump is to the right of the Conservative party, but not by a lot.

I have to go now but I'll try later to find the proportion of Albertan voterd who voted for the Conservative party.

EDIT: 63,5% of Albertan voters voted for the CPC. It's still hard to compare that statistic to the proportion of Californian voters who voted for Trump, but my feeling is that California isn't far removed from Alberta, perhaps it is even left of Alberta.

I doubt those fuckers would stay in California if we left to join you.

Despite being a proud Canadian this seems to be the only logical conclusion.

UAE is like Saudi Arabia (maybe not quite as extreme), where there's a big LBGT scene on the down-low, but also draconian laws against it that are selectively enforced. Think Victorian England, but with more executions. And similar levels of hypocrisy. I worked over there, and queer colleagues were never short of companionship, but they had to be very deeply closeted. And every couple of years, the government would raid a club, arrest a few people, torture them and maybe decapitate a few. And, like everything over there, if you have money and/or connections, it's easier for you.