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A new tranche of documents related to convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein revealed several communications with William J Burns, a career diplomat who would go on to become the central intelligence director under Joe Biden.

The documents describe the planning for meetings between Burns and Epstein, two of which occurred, and show Epstein texting with Burns and recommending that other people in his orbit meet with him. The meetings and correspondence occurred after Epstein had pleaded guilty to prostitution-related charges in Florida in 2008, including solicitation of prostitution with a minor under the age of 18.

A spokesperson for Burns told the Guardian that the two men had “no relationship”, and that Burns “did not know anything about him, other than that he was introduced as an expert in the financial services sector”. The spokesperson said Burns “deeply regrets ever meeting with him”. Burns has never been accused of any wrongdoing related to Epstein’s crimes.

Burns has decades of diplomatic experience under both Republican and Democratic administrations. During his confirmation hearing to become CIA director in 2021, even Trump-partisan senator Lindsey Graham called him an “outstanding choice”.

The first mention of Burns in the Epstein files is dated April 2013, when Epstein emailed an associate, Terje Rød-Larsen, a former Norwegian diplomat, about a meeting: “lets set a meeimg [sic] with Bill burns in wash or ny.” There is no context in the email, or even a subject heading. Rød-Larsen resigned as head of the International Peace Institute in 2020, after revelations that he secured donations from foundations related to Epstein, as well as a personal loan from the financier. He could not be reached for comment.

The following month there was an actual meeting.

Epstein’s assistant emailed the financier on 19 August: “Bill Burns is in a meeting now ... his assistant will have him call you once he is out of the meeting.” Burns finally met with Epstein on 21 August at the DC law office of Steptoe, a white-shoe firm, for lunch, as the Wall Street Journal first reported in a story in 2023 about Epstein’s calendar.

Epstein, then a convicted sex offender, had gone to the US Treasury that morning, according to his calendar. There is no hint why. Then at noon that day, he met with Burns.

Burns’s spokesperson said that the subject matter concerned Burns’s efforts for his career post-government. Ten days later, on 1 September, Epstein started to text Burns, following up.

“Bill,” wrote Epstein, “Peter thiel will be with me 13,14 in ny . I think it would be nice for you to meet if convenient for you . There is an apt for you to use if you choose.”

The last time Burns’s name appears in the files is 27 March 2018, in the midst of a multiday text chain between Epstein and former Trump strategist Steve Bannon. Apparently out of the blue, Epstein said: “I suggest you meet Bill Burns.” Burns’s spokesperson said a meeting with Bannon “did not happen”.

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Again, just throwing this out there, but the CIA didn't even exist until after WWII. Pretty much every shameful U.S. international scandal can be traced back to this agency. Why do we pretend like it's necessary to have a CIA as part of the U.S. government? Between the nepotism and complete lack of public accountability they justify by claiming it's necessary to "protect America," they might as well just be a private corporation.

It really seems like the entire purpose of the agency is just to help rich people in the U.S. do fucked up shit at home and around the globe to destroy democracy in the name of "spreading democracy."

[-] dgdft@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Why do we pretend like it’s necessary to have a CIA as part of the U.S. government? Between the nepotism and complete lack of public accountability they justify by claiming it’s necessary to “protect America,” they might as well just be a private corporation.

It really seems like the entire purpose of the agency is just to help rich people in the U.S. do fucked up shit at home and around the globe to destroy democracy in the name of “spreading democracy.”

There’s a book I love called The Very Best Men by Evan Thomas that shares this thesis. The author is a well-regarded Washington journalist and insider who was given access to the CIA’s archives.

He starts off by playing the title straight, humanizing his main subjects, explaining their ideological motives and justifications, and playing up their esteemed credentials and education. Then he goes into the practical effects of their actions and shows that in practice, they were terrible people who pumped out a steady stream of incompetent gaffes, own-goals, and international crimes.

There’s a very similar vibe to the Epstein files: The shadowy kabbalic figures were, in the cold light of day, grade A morons and it’s a miracle they had any success covering their tracks at all.

Robert maxwell apparently was trying to bring together criminals globally, and that mean underground and intelligence.

If you watch the world's geopolitics it almost seems like the 5 eyes are running the world and manipulating what life is.

I don't really know much about 5 eyes, but I feel like Trump threatening to invade one of the fellow eyes must make things pretty awkward.

[-] IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I don't think the some people in the intelligence angecy care about their nations.

Whitney webb talks about Robert Maxwell, ghoistaine Maxwell's dad, being well connected with intellegence agencies and mafia trying make a collective of global... I guess we can call them shitty evil people that care more about their ideologies and greed than their own nations and species. Everything seems to align with what's currently happening. And it's almost as if the Epstein files are starting to get muddied up like a cover up.

The general gist is that cia has has history of working with business and leading certain tech companies into a modern state of surveillance.

Understanding that you can kind of connect to global issues and the idea that this is almost like a race for nukes so to speak. When the owners of the tech companies the run the world's official ai services they will basically own humanity if people don't take things seriously.

[-] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 21 points 1 day ago

I like how the media likes to pretend that we didn't know that Epstein was heavily involved with the CIA because doing that would require them to also acknowledge that American billionaires have been involved in CIA operations since they were founded and then they might have to start talking about how all the big scandals that involved the CIA also just sorta accidentally enriched a whole bunch of people like Epstein.

Just the tip of the iceberg on this shit: https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/jeffrey-epstein-iran-contra-planes-leslie-wexner-pottinger-leese-arms-weapons-smuggling

[-] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

I never really thought too much about CIA mainly being just a secretive way for the 1% to conduct fucked up business transactions, but that's also because it just never really gets pointed out by most media.

This independent journalist/early blogger Steve Kangas wrote a lot about it, and it may not seem that ground breaking today, but when you consider he wrote it circa 1996 it's pretty amazing what all he was putting together: http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-overclass.html

He was found dead under very odd circumstances while investigating the heir to the Mellon family fortune.

This proud veteran of years of political argument in Internet discussion forums, and creator of an award-winning Web site devoted to liberal issues, is dead. On Feb. 8, his body was discovered in a men’s room on the 39th floor of a building in Pittsburgh — just outside the offices of conservative billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife.

Although Joseph Coors is usually credited with providing Heritage with the funding that lifted the think tank off the ground, only 4 months after Kangas was found dead in Scaife's office building, Washington Post revealed Scaife had provided significantly more funding to the Heritage Foundation compare to Coors.

The Heritage Foundation became an important part of the right’s community-building efforts. Scaife first contributed to Heritage in 1974. Soon afterward, using money from Scaife, Heritage established its resource bank, a compilation of conservative organizations, which from 1982 was published in the Directory of Public Policy Organizations, a guide to the new right-wing establishment. The current edition lists 300 groups; 111 have received grants from Scaife, 76 of them in 1998.

Heritage, organized by former staff assistants to Republican lawmakers whose goal was to influence both Congress and the news media with a stream of brief, meaty position papers on issues of the day, became Scaife’s favorite beneficiary. When it began to make a mark in the mid-1970s, Joseph Coors, the beer magnate, was commonly credited as its chief financial patron. Coors did put up the first $250,000. But within two years, according to Heritage officials, Scaife had given more than twice as much, and he has kept on giving ever since – more than $23 million in all, or about $34 million in inflation-adjusted, current dollars. At Heritage the joke was, “Coors gives six-packs; Scaife gives cases.”

[-] user28282912@piefed.social 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Based on the relationships he maintained, Ehud Barak, Robert Maxwell, and others ... Epstein having ties to the CIA is a given. People who have worked in the US Government understand how much Israel is embedded within the cyber/intel aspects of it. It is difficult know where US/Israel ends. Any intel agency would kill for the photos/videos that Epstein appears to have amassed with his VIP guests as they 'partied' with minors and each other.

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