This phrase rings like a bell in my circles every time the topic of humanitarian ceasefire comes up, and it effectively stonewalls the conversation. Just a point of frustration that I have no real place to ventilate.

Other bangers include:

  • Israel can't trust the Palestinians, they've never been given a reason to do so.
  • Hamas wants to make Israel not exist.
  • So you equate Israel now to Nazis during WW2? (while talking about the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising)
  • Hamas takes drugs and ...
    spoilerrapes corpses of women and children.

Hard to be interested in engaging after reading that last one, but no one else is going to bring the missing half of the conversation.

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[–] 34 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

So you equate Israel now to Nazis during WW2? (while talking about the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising)

yes-comm

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Hamas takes drugs

    Oh god are people unironically doing the “Well that black kid that got shot by the cops did pot once so he wasn’t an angel” bit but for Gazans?

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  • [–] [S] 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)
  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Oh so it’s the “we ‘found’ a baggy of pot on the perp” gambit

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago

    It’s also totally irrelevant even if true. Oh damn some soldiers took stimulants before a battle? That’s a thing that has never happened ever and certainly not in civilized western countries. Modafinil? What’s that?

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago*

    Hamas takes drugs

    so that's why they went to the trance festival

    Hamas wants to make Israel not exist.

    relatable

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago

    Hamas wants to make Israel not exist.

    yeah, good, ok

    Death to America

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  • [+] 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Piling into this thread with my own related complaint, I’m tired of reading chyrons that say “ISRAEL AT WAR” while panning over footage of total destruction levied at civilians in Gaza

    If this is a war, where are the enemy combatants??

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 2 years ago

    Oh I know. "Only talks about kids getting killed. Also isn't moralizing." Like somehow there is a massive number of Hamas leaders and soldiers Israel has killed that I'm ignoring. The only count I could find was 13.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    I've framed it thusly: If someone is offered a bad deal, I point out how there's no reason to take said deal simply for having been made an offer, like it's literally beyond these liberals imaginations that negotiating is a haggling match and leverage must be offered and counteroffered, especially when it comes to international diplomacy. All western liberals know is eat hot chip, bully poorer weaker nations and lie.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    that's because libs genuinely think negotiation is when you get everything you want and the other side just fucks off home. because they're the good guys, therefore they want good things. and the other side must necessarily be the bad guys, so they only want bad things. so you dont need to understand them, or offer anything.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Well then why are we giving them what they want?

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    The response I got was "They'll just attack anyway". Predictable.

    Edit:

    • Hamas will steal all the aid, they're already sitting on a dragon's horde of supplies.
    • Zionism has proven to be pretty volatile but it's irrelevant now that this has begun.
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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    Hamas will steal all the aid, they're already sitting on a dragon's horde of supplies.

    I hear this shit all the time. And it's like "Oh weird. And why is Gaza in a position where they need to be given aid in the first place?!"

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 2 years ago

    I know right? Even from their perspective, calling for a ceasefire only emboldens their position, because if Hamas doesn't respect that ceasefire it plays into what the state has been saying all along. Can't risk being wrong though... 🙄

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    "You're right, they want a hostage exchange. Glad you're willing to consider what Hamas wants."

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 2 years ago

    "So has Hamas outlined any demands or articulated any valid conclusion beyond total elimination of the Jews?" Was a question I was asked, "a hostage exchange" was apparently the wrong answer.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    Israel can't trust the Palestinians, they've never been given a reason to do so.

    Palestine can't trust the zionists, they've never been given a reason to do so.

    Hamas wants to make Israel not exist.

    Zionists wants to make Palestinians not exist.

    So you equate Israel now to Nazis during WW2? (while talking about the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising)

    Yes.

    Hamas takes drugs and [unspeakeable shit]

    Zionists did unspeakable things to palestinians and then made a whole documentary admitting it while laughing.

    "Hohohoo! so you agree a ceasefire is impossible then" smuglord

    Zionists ruling Palestine land and non-genocidal peace is impossible.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Zionists did unspeakable things to palestinians and then made a whole documentary admitting it while laughing.

    What documentary is that?

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    I would say equating Israel with Nazis is not something I would do, the mechanization and industrialization of genocide that the Nazis did has yet to be replicated. But I will say that what Israel is doing is very similar to what pogromists have done in the past.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Hamas wants to make Israel not exist.

    I mean, so do I

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