I've never heard an argument for anti-natalism that wasn't just an extremist expression of individualism brainrot.

Children are the future. We build socialism now so that they can enjoy communism in their lifetimes.

I have a somewhat tortured relationship with Freire as a teacher.

I think it's important theory, and really helpful for thinking about what education might look like under socialism. However, it's also big in "progressive" education circles (I first encountered it in my Masters program), and they are totally unwilling to grapple with the contradictions of what it means to practice a "Pedagogy of the Oppressed" while teaching under capitalism. Friere was writing about education in a revolutionary context and that's not easily separable from the theory. Very annoying to watch a bunch of libs fail to understand this in real time and be like "Wow, maybe we can have some more student-led discussions!"

I think it's very significant that the dense core of Reddit's userbase hates children so much.

They do not want revolutions or positive change that improves society even somewhat. They want to persist as high as they can manage in the status quo, while hoarding toys.

Western adults when I talk about communism: “but humans greedy Stalin giant spoon.”

Western kids when I talk about communism: “sounds cool sign me up.”

Leftists arguing with each other on the internet: “you’re so childish!”

I will never have sex, you will not deceive me with your lies

Yeah hating on kids per se is deffo reactionary. Unfortunately capitalism also produces conditions where the raising and education of kids is often extremely tiring, frustrating and unrewarding, and where you do not have the resources to deal with behavioral issues, above all if you are a worker who works with children, such as teachers.

Honestly though having taught mostly working-class kids I was shook when I then taught more bougie kids. There are obviously a bunch of behavioral problems in poorer schools for obvious reasons and I can sympathize as I was once one of those disrespectful working class kids whose environment was definitely not helping my behavior. But the disrespect and poor behavior is more disgusting from the bougie kids honestly. Like I really trip watching bougie kids being clearly shaped in shitty bourgeois people and knowing that it's not their fault but that there's also not much you can do.

It's reactionary in every configuration I've seen.

"They're going to suffer" is supremely individualistic, and by extension blames the oppressed more than the oppressor because the oppressor's children won't be the ones suffering

"Too many people" in the absence of a world order that responds to need is misanthropic Malthusian nonsense. It implies that our elite is somehow innate to humanity, once again blaming the powerless and excusing the people and system responsible for ecological devastation

And "I just don't like them, they're annoying and they don't know anything" is just depressingly small-minded and nihilistic

Kids good.

yeah but when you're sensitive to sound anyway being around (loud) kids can literally be torture. but that's my problem, not the kids

I'm a teacher, though for older (late high school) kids. I don't have any kids of my own, don't plan to, and don't particularly like being around them when I'm not at work. I really enjoy my job, but it is a job. Kids are exhausting, and while I don't hate them, I do find it kind of puzzling why people want to have their own. I also think that it's at least a little morally questionable to bring new people into the world considering what their lives are likely to be like over the next century or so. I'm not really an anti-natalist, but I think I would feel bad about consigning a human being to living through what we have every reason to think is going to be a very rough time, and I don't think that's a reactionary viewpoint. I do think we have a strong responsibility to do the absolute best we can for the kids that are here, and (as I said) I really like my job. I just also like being able to go home in the evening and not keep dealing with kids.

iPad kids are a product of capitalism; ergo we should hate capitalism (shock revelation)

i just have lingering trauma from working at a restaurant

i see that plate of french fries soaked in root beer in my nightmares

edit now that i think of it it was probably the parents not being able to handle them more than it was the kids themselves

Just because I don’t like kids doesn’t mean I won’t support free lunches.

I just dislike people with sticky fingers.

I still find them annoying and want nothing to do with them out of personal preference

Here’s my take. I am a Marxist-Leninist-Comedyist. Kids are funny, therefore kids are essential to the laughter revolution

Daily reminder that anti-natalism is reactionary, and anti-natalists should be banned for adopting an extremely cringe reactionary Reddit ideology.

Kids being psy-oped into being annoying does not change the fact that my daily reality of kids being annoying still sucks.

Gen Z is a lost cause in terms of not being annoying. They're good people but suck shit with everything else. I am Gen Z and even people 4 years older than me are annoying and childish.

What do you mean when you say it is 'reactionary'? Most traditional ideologies are very pro-natalist

Kids need to be indoctrinated into communist thought then ill agree, because the american kids are as reactionary as their parents