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Looks like redditors have discovered that /r/AskSocialists was taken over by the ACP. But then posts criticizing them have been getting deleted in /r/socialism, too, so seems they're also in there. Since /r/thedeprogram was shut down it doesn't seem good for the left on reddit, although at least a bunch of people are aware of the issue now.

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[-] spectre@hexbear.net 43 points 2 months ago

My main interaction (sort of) with ACP is seeing one post "ask an american communist anything" on XHS (spoiler), and hilariously this person was like "yeah I'm a real communist unlike PSL or DSA posers"

Can't imagine anything more actually communist than initiating sectarianism online and declaring yourself the one true leftist tbf

[-] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Wasn't the communist on the Daily Show recently an ACP member? That might be the closest I've gotten to them lol. Or was that CPUSA?

[-] spectre@hexbear.net 28 points 2 months ago
[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 16 points 2 months ago

One of the leaders in fact.

[-] Ildsaye@hexbear.net 36 points 2 months ago

Not yet being banned from reddit-logo. This is a 12th type.

[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago

I've been banned like seven times in five years but I keep going back because I'm a little piggie

oink oink

[-] pr06lefs@lemmy.ml 30 points 2 months ago
[-] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 50 points 2 months ago

Someone else said the answer (American Communist Party), but they're basically trying to literally be nationalist socialists, but you know what that means lol.

What happens if you take class reductionism too far. From what I understand, they don't care about anyone other than white people, and super nationalist so they don't care about American imperialism. I've also heard the term MAGA communism or NazBols to refer to them.

[-] MLRL_Commie@hexbear.net 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I, a communist 100% opposed to their vision and analysis, think it's good to have a better analysis of exactly where they are wrong. Just "class reductionism" doesn't really cover it, because it's a very specific sort of limited scope. Sometimes class reductionism is saying that an analysis limits itself to only class (harmful in the long run, but not terrible to work with), but the ACP limits itself to a narrow view of what class means (worse). They look at only direct industrial production as "value creating" and take the hard stance that arises out of that assumption, and they limit "class relations" to "direct industrial production proles" vs "everyone else." There is no other mode of dialectics relevant in their eyes. They are anti-identity politics (in the bad way, like anti-Losurdo's inclusive "class" definition) and ultra about the strategies to be used for the chosen class.

I don't think I'm directly disagreeing with you or anything, but I do think it's important to name the exact disagreements or else it's just throwing terms that not everyone understands. I, for example, don't actually get what exactly you mean with "maga communism" or "nazbol" or "national socialist" in your comment. I'd guess we agree 100% but, you know, clarification for others is helpful, I hope

[-] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago

IMO an even bigger issue with them is that their primary purpose is to attempt to marry Amerikkkan nationalism with communism. In the 21st century, with the benefit of hindsight, this goes beyond bad analysis and into borderline hitlerism.

[-] MLRL_Commie@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago

From what I've learned about them (just online shit, idk, not amerikkkan), this seems like it's not explicitly a goal, but a result of their 'direct industrial proles' vs everyone analysis. Because they truly believe that this is the only contradiction that matters, they strategically don't push back against American nationalism. It's what anyone would do with that analysis. It's just that analysis is completely wrong and horrible lol

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[-] Lussy@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Damn, so it’s literally class reductionism in that they have reduced their class to factory workers who use industrial machinery i-cant

Fuck, these people are so fucking stupid what the fuck.

On a serious note, these people need to go

[-] Blakey@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago

"national socialist" is what "Nazi" is short for; the Nazis were, formally, the national socialist German worker's party. Nazbol is short for National Bolshevik, which was a similar and slightly earlier ultranationalist movement in Germany that from what I understand leaned a bit harder into appropriating left wing ideas.

Maga communism is effectively the same thing for modern America - "socialist" right wingers who lean into MAGA stuff to try to appeal to a reactionary base, which (I suspect and hope) is unlikely to get the same traction as the previous ideologies because said reactionary base just isn't as big or radicalized as they think.

Take this with a pinch of salt, I am not American or an expert in either history or politics but this is my understanding.

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[-] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 2 months ago

What happens if you take class reductionism too far.

aren't they the ones that think baristas are bourgeois or something? or was that another patsoc group?

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago

That's them.

[-] SteamedHamberder@hexbear.net 29 points 2 months ago
[-] jack@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago
[-] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 16 points 2 months ago
[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 29 points 2 months ago

American Communist Party (they're not communist)

[-] BakerBagel@midwest.social 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Aren't they essentially just a giant fed honey pot?

[-] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago

Wasn't that CPUSA? Or was it both?

[-] Juice@midwest.social 17 points 2 months ago

Cpusa was infiltrated by the feds heavily back in the day, have a reputation of tailing dems in elections, but also have a deep and archived history of the american socialist movement and contain many very good people and organizers. Like most american left groups that aren't ACP or some weird Maoist cult, there are upsides and downsides.

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago

Acp conpared to cpusa is like comparing a retirement home to the Langley CIA headquarters.

[-] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago

True, but it's a retirement home for German veterans.

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Mmm they're more like SPD Eiserne Front officeworker retirees

[-] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago
[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago

It's a matter of perspective

[-] BakerBagel@midwest.social 5 points 2 months ago

I didn't realize they were separate organizations

[-] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

they're the american communist party which seems to be national bolsheviks based on their online presence

but for what it's worth two of the three politically active (meaning actually does things, organizes) people I know IRL are active members (or at least the one's partner is) so although it's largely derided as a kkkrackkker project by Hexbear, like, the guy's a black Haitian, and both of them say they're doing good work locally feeding people and shit

edit: not going to unblock someone who's annoyed me to let you argue at me but I'm not "making an argument" I'm pointing out that, at least in my experience, there's a disconnect with "it's a white supremacist cracker movement" (online opinion) and the actual opinions of the actual people I know, in person, here in the real world. I'm sorry the opinions of people from marginalized backgrounds don't matter when they do things you don't like? the takeaway shouldn't be "ACP GOOD" anyway, it seems to me more that there's a disconnect between the national leaders (weird nazbol "patsoc" fucks) and the actual local and regional members, based on the things that this specific person has told me

[-] purpleworm@hexbear.net 30 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Vile reactionary organizations can opportunistically do good things to win people over. Saying they've got a black Haitian member feeding homeless people just isn't a moving argument.

[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 26 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

"it's a white supremacist cracker movement"

The criticisms of these clowns are more evolved than that. You should read this (and share it with your friends): https://cosmonautmag.com/2025/04/praxis-of-alienation-and-enmity-on-the-american-communist-party/

[-] spectre@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago
[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago

It really is yeah, gets into the weeds

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago

it seems to me more that there's a disconnect between the national leaders (weird nazbol "patsoc" fucks) and the actual local and regional members, based on the things that this specific person has told me

If that's the only "critique" that person has, then for all intent and purposes, their party operates exactly the same as the CPUSA, the party they claim to both supplanted and improved upon, which is to say there is an entrenched clique in the party leadership who undemocratically control the party and have zero means of being held accountable or replaced by rank-and-file members.

I levy that it's a literal personality cult who's membership is composed of gullible yesmen who's journey towards becoming a communist from most likely a rabid reactionary position was intercepted by the petite bourgeois radicals, national chauvinistic reactionaries disguised as communists, feds and fascists that makes up their ideological and party leadership. There is zero reason to tolerate any member of their party in any public space they enter.

[-] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago

I levy that it's a literal personality cult who's membership is composed of gullible yesmen who's journey towards becoming a communist from most likely a rabid reactionary position was intercepted by the petite bourgeois radicals, national chauvinistic reactionaries disguised as communists, feds and fascists that makes up their ideological and party leadership. There is zero reason to tolerate any member of their party in any public space they enter.

yeah well I mentioned it because neither of the two people I know who are in this party are like that so idk what to tell you, you don't need to tell me not to join some nazbol party

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

Nah they're fully guilty by association.

[-] purpleworm@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

I'm sorry the opinions of people from marginalized backgrounds don't matter when they do things you don't like?

Don't use identity as a shield for a nazbol organization, that's straightforwardly disgusting and you can't tell me that you aren't doing that just like you can't convincingly pretend that you aren't making an argument. Why even pretend that you aren't? So you can't be wrong? That's consistent with this line, in that both are intellectually dishonest excuses.

Your human shield of a friend is helping to launder the reputation of a virulently reactionary organization. Even if the work that individual does under the ACP is good in the most narrow, proximate sense, they are nonetheless doing PR for a party that seeks to cause immense harm.

[-] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago

I've heard the same thing before, about people on the ground doing good work and generally disconnected from the leadership. I guess I should've mentioned that, too.

Candace Owens, welcome to the #resistance

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[-] Hyper_red@hexbear.net 27 points 2 months ago

The Good subreddit is trueanon

[-] XxFemboy_Stalin_420_69xX@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago

are they not ableist anymore?

[-] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They absolutely are AFAIK, but definitely so are the ACP grifters so I guess TrueAnon is still the lesser evil. agony-turbo

The good subreddit is banned or never existed in the first place, people should stop expecting anything from the CIA website.

[-] WokePalpatine@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

Got called an ACP member there for saying Israel is worse than Russia. Its days are numbered. Either by libs or astroturffing.

[-] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago

called an ACP member there for saying Israel is worse than Russia

jesse-wtf What even is the reasoning for this?

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[-] into_highest_invite@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 months ago

the problem with reddit is libs filter in to any mildly popular subreddit every time a post hits r/all. if moderation falls asleep at the wheel for even a minute it becomes unbearable

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[-] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 22 points 2 months ago

I thought you were talking about the other fascist group that has taken over a bunch of socialist subs (r/EuropeanSocialists for example) for sure.

[-] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago

Lol had no idea about that one. Hopefully more socialists can find spacesike Lemmy away from the corporate-owned social media.

[-] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 16 points 2 months ago

Dude /r/AskSocialists is hilarious half the posts there are like asking an obvious question "should socialists feed the homeless?" and the post would be of Hinkle organising a food drive or smth

[-] larrikin99@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago
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