There is no conclusive evidence yet and people need to fucking stop pretending there is.
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me: the fuck is a groyper?!?
I thought it was a made up name for GOP-er aka a member of the republican party. Didnt realize it was more targeted than that. Also, i didnt know who nick fuentes is, so i guess ill count myself lucky
The billionaire class wants a class war against the worker class so they can further shift wealth and power to themselves, but they certainly aren’t going to fight it themselves, and they can’t have a proxy class-war without two sides to fight it. The only way to get two sides is to vilify the less-gullible side by duping the more-gullible side into fighting members of their own class on their behalf.
MAGA rubes are being manipulated into turning against their neighbors. And maybe the left are being manipulated too, maybe I’m too far left to see it.
The left definitely do have a problem with infighting. We can't even agree on the right way to go about unfucking things. Between accelerationists, revolutionaries and people who still hope for peaceful solutions, between tankies and non-authoritarians, between hardliners and diplomats...
You'd think we could all agree to focus on our common enemy, but whenever anyone suggests a course of action, the discussion quickly becomes laden with epithets and accusations of being a capitalist pawn in some way or other.
Hell, I fully expect someone to misconstrue this very comment as an attempt to undermine leftist goals in some way.
Ok, I am not saying he wasn't, but would somebody mind explaining to me exactly why everyone is so ready to declare he is right-wing?
He's from a morman family, but that doesn't necisserily mean shit, the most left person I know was raised by mormans.
He also was saying Kirk was too hateful. That does not sound like words from a 4chan incel to me.
And the bullet casings were distinctly antifa, also seems like not a right wing nut to me.
I only ask because I am honestly concerned that the rhetoric around his politics is getting hijacked by people trying to make him a right winger to hide the fact that the left is not afraid to kill.
Edit: Thanks to everyone who took the time to explain what indicates he is a Groyper. And thanks in advance to any more info people share!
"Groypers" are what the followers of Nick Fuentes call themselves.
the shit written on the casings were references to memes they pass around in those circles, and there's other reasons, including his internet activity to say he was a Groyper.
Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck. Shits like a duck, it's prolly a duck.
What's strange to me is the grandmother says they are all conservative, and the father says he got increasingly more into politics recently but doesn't distance himself from it by saying their political beliefs differed.
I would have figured he would want to point out their beliefs differed if they were going to apart of an ongoing investigation.
Supposedly the Fuentes lot had co-opted “Bella Ciao”, a classic and beautiful anti fascist song, for their own memes or whatever.
I listen to a lot of Knowledge Fight, where Fuentes is a recurring idiot, and haven’t heard of this there, but I am not a studious listener.
I hope you get another comment from someone who knows way more than I have picked up, but from what I can tell he apparently wore a Pepe costume and Nick Fuentes apparently was suggesting Kirk was a fascist. I'm not sure what Nick's actual politics are other than despicable, but apparently he didn't like how Kirk was doing fascism so I guess you can think Kirk is a fascist and support Fuentes. People are taking that and the furry aspect of the alleged engravings because apparently Fuentes fans lean into being furries. So overall it seems like a Pepe costume, furry reference, and fascist critiques are being interpreted by some to suggest groyper. Admittedly, I am not thoroughly convinced, but "If you're reading this you're gay LMAO" is some generic 4chan trash that I can't imagine any actual anti fascists would want to be tied to. Stranger things have happened though.
Lefty ex Mormons absolutely exist. And I've met several here. But I think all of them, if they were being honest. Would absolutely tell you that they are the exception and not the rule.
4chan incells constantly say everyone who disagrees with them are too hateful because they push back against what the incells say.
The memes on the bullets weren't clearly antifa. As others have pointed out they're ironic cultural re-appropriations by fuentez's community. Precisely because it muddies things and implicates those they see as enemies. It's a common, fascist tactic to distort and dilute the meaning of things.
There's been nothing meaningful and verified found that implicates him as a leftist. No literature, no behavior.Or any meaningful indicators whatsoever. Just speculation from someone at Fox and “LOL memes“.
Don't get me wrong, there's been Some information possibly from the other side, such as the Photoshop of him in a Trump shirt that has been proven fake.
No one is trying to portray it as the left not being able to kill or commit acts of terror. Everyone is simply pushing back on clear, transparent, fascist propaganda to victimize innocent people. Justifying the violence, they're already committing. Had much of the media sphere and the President of the United States not already tried using this as a justification to continue attacking innocent people. I would agree with the caution on assumption of the kids political leanings. But, civilly pushing back against fascists is no vice.
He also was saying Kirk was too hateful
This information comes from a misquotation. One example of the story with this information has the full context:
Cox said that a family member of Robinson had told investigators that at a recent family dinner, Robinson had mentioned Kirk’s upcoming event at Utah Valley University, and “they talked about why they didn’t like him and the viewpoints that he had,” Cox said. “The family member also stated Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate.”
Note that the family member is the one who said "Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate." But it has been repeatedly misattributed.
I've been wondering about this too, thought I was just out of the loop but nothing I can find from a reputable source has really made me think he's a right winger.
Like, maybe we can't say for sure but to insist he's actually extremely far right seems like a wild leap.
Is there anything that is actually conclusive about what his views were? Like his social media accounts, his discord history?
None. There is zero definitive evidence of which side of the aisle he is on. The right wants him to be left and the left wants him to be right. Some on the right want justice, some want vengeance. Most on the left are celebrating either way, some didn’t agree with Kirk but didn’t believe he should die for his views.
Then you have the people in the center of the aisle that just want to be left alone and don’t care. Both the left and right hates these people.
some didn’t agree with Kirk but didn’t believe he should die for his views.
I just need to call this part out because it keeps getting repeated. I don't think hardly anybody thinks he deserved to die for his views. His actions, on the other hand, really get people's attention.
And a fair chance he isn't on any side in particular. The team sports model of politics isn't everything...
i honestly don’t care, i am celebrating either way.
It was Serbian alien from planet Nibiru (whole universe is Serbian, God is serbian too) you don't believe me, ask Jovanka Jolić she knows everything.
Once again even on lemmy like every other social media, the point is not that anyone else has made up their mind on who he is. It's the right leading the charge on this. They decided they know exactly every detail of his life points to their radical far left evil bad. All while accusing others of the sin they commit.
There's no more point in even attempting discourse with the far right. I believe all you can and should do anymore is point out their meta-games. Do not wrestle with pigs. You're both covered in shit but the pig is enjoying it.

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