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Post truth world (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
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[–] 16 points 11 months ago (1 child)

We don't know all the facts. He could just as easily be a leftist. I hate that it matters so much because either way, he had some demons to be able to do that. I see people on the right just as sure he's a leftist and I despise the idea that people would rather push a narrative than know the truth. Sadly, people on the right will always blame a leftist no matter what now and vice versa. I would prefer to know the truth whatever it is. And yes I know that historically what the odds are here. Truth matters though. Let's not stoop to immediately making a decision and ignoring facts that come out later.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    No one here said a leftist couldn't have done this. What people are saying is that due to clear circumstantial evidence, there's very little chance he is a leftist. Many of these pieces I just recited to you. But if you truly think it is just as likely that he is a leftist, why don't you read off five or six circumstantial markers that you think indicate this?

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    What Internet people don't understand is that it's possible to not jump to a conclusion. It's easy in fact. Which is why I'm trying not to and asking for others to as well. You're asking me to argue for something I don't believe. I'm waiting for actual evidence. Not some vague shit or lies from Cox

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Totally agree. It's bizarre to see you get downvoted for not wanting to jump to conclusions. Do people here think we'll all suddenly turn maga if he is a leftist or that it serves us at all to be wrong about him? If anything I'm pushed away from this community seeing shit like this

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Yeah, social media is the worst invention of all time. Even when talking with people you agree with 90%+, they can't wait to jump on you and prove you're a secretly impure or destructive force to the things you claim to agree with. It's fucking bizarre but it's consistent.

    Browsing r/conservative, it's way worse for sure on this conclusion-jumping issue, but I am saddened to be on this platform right now where you cannot even suggest waiting for evidence without people getting mad at you.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    So what you're saying is that you have nothing? Not a single solitary fact, that you can point to that might indicate his possible left-leaning stance. Just on the face of it, over 70% of political violence in the United States comes from right-wing sources, less than 10% from left. By those numbers alone, it's a fairly safe assumption he probably wasn't at leftist.

    Those currently in power are actively trying to frame it as a leftist to justify current and future abuses of innocent people.There's nothing wrong with pushing such a well-founded assumption as the likely truth. in the face of their propaganda. But refusing to push back against unfounded accusations against those who would be our allies. Shows that you are not likely their ally.

    But, you know what? I take it all back. Your complete and utter lack of anything at all to point to has convinced me.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    You’re asking me to argue for something I don’t believe

    I'm done here. I'm encouraging skepticism, you're mad about it. Deal.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    LOL, I'm not mad. Gauging from your frustrated response, I'd say you're projecting a little. I'm simply pointing out that skepticism for skepticism's sake is no boon. The first couple of days, it was absolutely the call. But the longer this has gone on, the more that has come out. The more transparent, the more desperate the actions of the fascists in power to try to paint this on leftists has become. They can't point to any leftist literature that he had.They can't point to any of his actions, or behaviour to show it either.

    First, it was just that he himself was trans. When that narrative blew up in their face, then it became about this trans roommate. That everyone knows exists, but no one can find or get even an anonymous quote from. Not that a trans person “existing“ would radicalize someone.

    While we hem and haw debating the accuracy of the things they throw out in bad faith. They have and will trample/slaughter the truth regardless. Considering the agenda and incompetence of those running the show. We should spend more energy being sceptical of anything they put out. It will be framed and misrepresented to suit them at best. At best.

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    You're still not getting it. Saying "I don't know" is always an option. Just because the right is shitty enough to never do that doesn't mean we need to even debate about this. We likely will never know why this happened, and claiming we do seems valueless to me. It changes nothing about the right being Nazis. It does nothing to help advance progressive causes. It just leads to pointless wastes of energy. It's not like if we scream loudly enough that Robinson is a right winger then suddenly anyone changes their mind about anything at all

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    No one said it wasn't an option. Nor was anyone criticizing you for having that opinion. I believe you don't know. The pushback you're receiving is that you are asserting what people who aren't you, cannot know in your opinion. You don't know that. And for how much you dislike my argument. You cannot rebut it because you have even less evidence of your position. Dispute ours only being based around the Fuentes cult engraved memes on the casings and the overwhelming preponderance of circumstantial evidence.

    The hilarious irony is that whether the kid is left or right, it's irrelevant. It has and will be pinned on the left regardless of evidence. Because the fascists need it to be. And we bumble among ourselves arguing pointless minutiae as fascists achieve their goals.

    In the end realistically more than anything the kid was conflicted, manipulated, confused, and mentally unwell. Regardless of political leanings. And our society and dominant politics are the ones to blame. Not the nebulous "the left" bogeyman.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    that's the thing: circumstantial evidence is evidence, it's just evidence you don't like apparently

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I'm really sorry you feel threatened by the idea of skepticism and need to lash out at strangers, accusing them of harboring secret and evil motivations.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    accusing them of harboring secret and evil motivations.

    okay time for you to take a break from the internet

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