A homeowner in Goodyear, Arizona is locked in a dispute with his homeowner's association over his practice of distributing free cold water from his driveway.

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[–] 258 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

Ugh this isn't what HOAs are for!

HOAs are intended to harass and discriminate against black and brown people so that they don't move in, or at least immediately leave.

Not white guys with majestic beards.

He must've been giving water to black or brown people, it's the only justifiable reason.

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  • [–] 91 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    HOA's are for people who used to be in positions of perceived power at work but now they're retired and they miss bossing/bitching at people.

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  • [–] 156 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)

    My favorite HOA conflict:

    https://www.jeepforum.com/threads/epic-hoa-parking-boot-battle.572540/

    TL;DR - HOA boots a car parked outside a guys house. He puts the car up on dollies and pushes it into his garage.

    They accuse him of stealing the boot.

    He tells them they can come get it any time they want.

    They tell him it's $140 to remove the boot.

    He tells them "Nah, it's cool, I don't need to drive the car." LOL.

    Edit Also in Arizona... Something in the water down there?

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  • [–] 61 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I got booted at university once so I just changed my tire and took the boot with me

    Now they use 2 boots

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Don't the boots cover the lug nuts?

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago

    On some of them you can just let the air out of the tire and slip them off the wheel. I did that at a parking garage one time and left the boot in the parking spot.

    They found me later and said I stole it, I told them to check the camera footage and they saw someone else carry the thing off. I don't know how I got out of that one but I guess they just went after the other guy instead of me lol

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  • [+] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Folks in my area used to cary around crowbars (the half life style long ones for crates and shit) back when the sheriff deputies were boot happy for a bit. This was before cameras so they couldn't do much when they found the damned things snapped didn't help that folks would do it to any car they saw with a boot.

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  • There's a new-ish genre of Youtubers these days, Arizona home inspectors showing what a gigantic clusterfuck new house construction is there. I can't decide which is my favorite disaster: exterior walls that are just paper and stucco, or the gas leaks at literally every house. In AZ, the HOAs are the least of people's problems.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Fair warning for anyone who wants to boot my car I own a cordless angle grinder...

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    They can get you for destruction of property then. Luckily most non-law enforcement use cheap ass boots. I had an apartment complex boot an old truck of mine because I let the registration expire on since I was about to trade it in for a new(er) car. I simply deflated the tire enough to wiggle it free and threw it in a bush, then I pumped the tire back up and drove it to a Walmart parking lot for a couple of days.

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    [–] 138 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    HOAs seem like they should be illegal. Having a contract in perpetuity that is attached to the purchase of property seems like it shouldn't be allowed. So it is not only bound to the person who originally signed, but to whoever purchases the relevant property afterwards, and that gives other people rights over you that can be changed afterwards and are only limited by their conscience.

    I basically don't think you should be able to create a government by using a contract.

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    [–] 109 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I found an update about the vote to remove the three board members.

    Homeowners voted 190 to 20 in favour of removal, however the board cancelled the vote claiming there wasn't a 24 hour notice given to the community and subsequently that 210 votes might not qualify a quorum of more than a thousand homes.

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  • [–] 61 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Oh, that will go well. Piss off people and make their vote not count. The people that know where you live and can see your front door...

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    To play devil's advocate for a moment, having a sufficient vote notification period is important.

    Though if that were the board's true concern, they surely would have announced intention to notify the community alongside their statement cancelling the vote for this reason, which hasn't happened insofar as I can tell.

    Voting details:According to recent census data, Goodyear has 2.7 people per household. It doesn't say for the city specifically, but Arizona appears to have a minor population of 21%. I saw in the statement this association represents "over 1,000" households. In my experience, that could mean anywhere from 1,001 - 1,099 homes. The city of Goodyear held a vote earlier this year to approve a water utility contract, which lists an expected voter turnout of 17%.

    By this, I'm guessing less than 3,000 people live in this community, with about 2,400 eligible to vote on an association proposal, but likely around 400 people that would go to the effort of voting on such a tedious issue.

    I think that if half of the community shows up with less than a day's notice to make themselves heard, that's probably representative enough for how the community feels about these board members.

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    [+] 101 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 73 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    What a dystopian hell hole. My condolences to everyone having something like HOA in their lives. May you all experience a civilised and free country at some point.

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  • [–] 68 points 1 year ago (25 children)

    How anyone that lives in a country that has HOAs can unironically call it "land of the free" is beyond me

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Some HOAs can be quite nice as they're just there to add some basic community rules. However, many are hijacked by a handful of narcissistic individuals who let this insignificant amount of power go to their heads and they turn into a bunch Mussolinis

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    [+] 39 points 1 year ago (15 children)
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    [–] 35 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If you’re in a state with ballot measures, then you could campaign for rules against single family home HOAs.

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    [–] 35 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Whoever ratted it him out is just jealous of his beard.

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    [–] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Man, I could never live with an HOA. It’s just dumb.

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    [–] 25 points 1 year ago

    No good deed goes unpunished.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Would be interesting to know what rule they might have that could be interpreted in such a way to ban giving out water (and which should be referenced in a citation, no?) but the article doesn't mention anything of the sort.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It does:

    The Canyon Trails HOA and its management company, F-S Residential, began issuing citations to Martin last year for having a cooler in his driveway.

    My guess is the language about what can't be visible is very general to cover all kinds of things that could be considered "unsightly" like bikes, clothes, trash, etc.

    I'm sure it could be fixed with some provision about the items being actively used but HOAs are dicks.

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