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[–] 199 points 1 year ago (23 children)

A confounding issue is the apps themselves have gotten worse over time. Like, old okcupid you could search. You could type in like "final fantasy" or "the Mets" and find people who liked those things enough to put them on their profile.

Now you're limited to whatever the app decides to give you. Well, the app doesn't want you to leave so that incentive doesn't line up.

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  • [–] 106 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    A lot of the more popular ones, okcupid included, all got bought up by Match Group and almost immediately started trending anti-consumer in their updates or removal of features. They want you paying, they don't give a shit about success.

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  • [–] 61 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    100%. Match group should be broken up.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You also had decent profiles where you could write more texts about you. That could give you an idea of who that person is. There is a difference between "Tea or Coffee? - Tea." and "Tea or Coffee? - I like green teas but also some black teas like assam. I sometimes bake scones to eat with the tea." A lit of modern apps don't even give you the option to show your personality more.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    OkCupid used to actually work rather well at finding compatible people who were actually honest about what they were looking for.

    Then it got bigger, got acquired, and the matching model of the whole industry was intentionally modified to be more monetizable, and to keep giving matches that are close, but not close enough to be truely long term compatible.

    You aren't using the app/website anymore if it works and gets you a successful long term match.

    You are using the app for a longer time if you keep getting close but just missing the mark.

    ...

    Do people not think their dating app is tracking... how many matches and text exchanges they have?

    How much time elapses between you matching, chatting, leaving... and then going back to swiping?

    And then multidimensional matrix comparing that to every other definable variable about you?

    Including whether or not you say you're looking for something long term, or serious... but you actually keep cycling through people?

    These algos, these things... they know exactly to what extent you lie to yourself and others, and they weaponize that to keep people in a sort of optimal (for the app, not you), constant disappointment loop.

    ...

    Everything digital is now way beyond 'if its free, you are the product'.

    The model is now entirely attention, addiction based, and manipulating your emotions in as close to real time as possible is absolutely integral to all this.

    People forget that over a decade ago, Zuckerberg said his dream was to be able to predict with high accuracy what any given Facebook user would post next.

    Nearly a decade ago, Netflix CEO or some such stated 'our primary competitor is sleep'.

    People largely do not realize the extent to which these corpo fucks have been running highly precise and targeted manipulation of every aspect of human behavior... all to drive goddamn ad revenue and market share, ie, entrench themselves as institutions the modern world is no longer imaginable without.

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    [–] 78 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Looking forward to getting back on dating apps at 38

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  • [–] 55 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Look, I did it at 47. Take the time to make a good profile, ask for help on pics and be an authentic you. It’s a mess out there, for those that never try.

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    [–] 69 points 1 year ago (23 children)

    I still remember when bumble had to change their entire premise and business model because as it turns out women are worse at starting conversations than men lmao.

    I wholeheartedly believe that the Internet and smart phones have been the biggest double edge swords in human history. We have the entire globes collected knowledge at our fingertips with the ability to connect with any other person on the planet instantly and it has caused the largest shift in loneliness and depression ever.

    Humans simply are not wired for social media and the Internet. Seeing every single person you know posting themselves beautiful and dressed up doing the coolest things 24/7 will make anyone feel ugly and like they aren't doing anything with their lives. It takes real focused effort to remember that people (generally) only post when they are doing something special and what you don't see are the days or weeks between posts that show they live the same boring life you live.

    I'm ranting for no reason. I think when we lost in person social gatherings as the primary method of meeting new people is when society kicked that concrete block off the cliff. Right now we are just waiting for the rope to snap taught and drag us all into the abyss.

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    [–] 69 points 1 year ago (36 children)

    I’ve been curious if a government-run dating app could do better - if its goal is to achieve genuine engagement, not cycles of frustration that boost subscription rates.

    This is one of many subjects where capitalist concern ruins the product (and that’s not even something I say as often as others on Lenny)

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    I run a social club for gay men, and we've talked about coming up with an app that's run by a non-profit, with social workers on the board, that's designed to actually connect people, not keep them glued to the app. Friendship, dates, activity partners, whatever.

    I don't know why no one has come up with the non-profit model here but if I can get enough steam, we're doing it.

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    [–] 59 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Ha!

    As a middle aged man you think its great for us? You think all the hot, sane, independent women in their 30s and 40s are strugging for options? If you're on there theres a 80% chance that you're no catch either.

    Last time my dude showed me a bunch of profiles it was easily 50% "applications to be a stepdad" and 25% women with a checklist (6 foot tall, good living, own house, etc.) Like 6 foot tall athletic lawyers who own their own home are having trouble meeting women.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    You think all the hot, sane, independent women in their 30s and 40s are strugging for options?

    You'd be surprised..... My wife is in a professional dance company full of single ladies ranging in age from 20s to late 30's. Most of them are on the struggle bus when it comes to finding a decent partner who isn't a lazy bum or a rampant misogynist.

    Tbh most of the dudes in long term relationships with the dancers are just regular everyday dudes. Imo the bar is pretty low nowadays considering that like 1/3 of dudes have been brain poisoned by Joe Rogan/Jordan Peterson.

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    [–] 53 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    I saw a girl on tiktok say something similar about how after a shit day at work she will look at hinge and be even further upset about the people who have liked her on hinge, as though this is all she deserves in life.

    It sounds extremely depressing out there these days.

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    [–] 51 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Welp seeing as how garbage dating apps are due to being optimized to keep you using them instead of actually finding a longterm partner, and all being owned by about 2 or 3 different holding companies...

    Might as well shoot my shot here:

    36 m, opinionated autist seeking female autist within ... i dunno, +/- 5 my age.

    (trans fem ok, ambi gender ok, just please don't be a fully advanced, PHD level bedroom = pigsty goblin)

    For more details, see my comment history.

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    [–] 47 points 1 year ago

    oh honey...

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I think we should make dating apps even worse, and just let humanity die out naturally.

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    [–] 43 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    This reminds me of the conversation I had with my co workers the other day. They basically warned don't do to your 10th/15th year class reunion, especially if you're in a relationship. All the girls who were used to constantly being in demand suddenly... aren't. And they're HORNY. And not in a very good way. In a very sad/depressing way.

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    [–] 42 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I'm always surprised to hear people unimpressed with others on dating apps. A couple of my friends have shared their "feeds" and I was struck by how many good-looking people are out there. But they would swipe away from just the smallest turn-offs becoming deal breakers. Like if I saw these people in real life, I would think of them as average looking at worst, many being remarkably attractive. This is in the 20s to mid 30s range like the tweet. I definitely understand deciding you're incompatible based on politics or religion or culture but most of the time it would be for minor quirks. It felt like they were spoiled for choice in my eyes.

    But then again, they're in serious long term relationships with conventionally attractive and supportive partners now so maybe being picky pays off. At the time, their reluctance to settle was a very frustrating experience for them.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Reluctant to settle, spoiled for choice, great ways of describing the situation.

    the apparently-bottomless firehose of faces that makes you desensitized, the anonymous dismissal of them makes you callous.

    The apps are just another dopamine slot machine, so the companies don't care and in fact would rather keep people in their app.

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    [–] 38 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    Dating is hard for everyone in one way or another, and, speaking as one, several ways for those who look pretty dead average but have trouble socializing and really only go between home and work. I don't even feel like I'm that picky; no cigarettes, no kids, yes empathy, and a complementary flavor of weird/neurodivergence.

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    [–] 37 points 1 year ago (32 children)

    Millennial here. Have recently dabbled with the apps. Honestly the guys I was shown were not objectively bad looking. Many of them were pretty attractive. But not my type at all. My interests were books and video games and nerdy sweetness…and it kept recommending me muscle gym divorced military dads. So I gave up.

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    [–] 29 points 1 year ago (25 children)

    As a single (Maybe neurodivergent?) 30 year old male, what other option I have?

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    [–] 25 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I don't think 29 year olds are millennial, are they? Or is this an older meme?

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    [–] 25 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    In my 50s and I don't bother anymore. It's just not worth the hassle. In my 30s I would have had to send out 100 messages to get 1 date. It's so much worse in my 50s.

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    [–] 25 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    How do young people meet new people these days? I met my husband while at work. Became official via Facebook status.

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    [–] 25 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    I’ve given up entirely on relationships at this point. Anyone who is willing to date a trans guy is “poly” and I am absolutely done with that shit.

    Hookups suck but it’s a distraction from how shit the world is.

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    [–] 25 points 1 year ago

    Whats it like in general? I uninstalled after I realized I can only pull porn bots shilling Instagram. I rather just die alone.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I am forklift certified. I do not need this.

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    [–] 23 points 1 year ago (25 children)

    When woman say, that men are poor quality commodities it's funny you see?

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    [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    I'm so glad I've never had to date officially. My first two girlfriends I met at school the latter of which I was in a relationship after school, which was good. My current partner is, strangely, also related to the school I've been to as we've met via a common acquaintance. Getting to know each other happened mostly via texts and then through meetings - unofficial dates, I guess - and the rest is history.

    I can't imagine the stress of using these dating platforms constantly. Putting yourself out the over and over again, meeting all kinds of people for a shred of possible companionship. Must be so exhausting. Don't even wanna think about what the experience must be for women* and female-presenting people

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