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Image is sourced from this People's Dispatch article, depicting communists attending the 2023 funeral of Communist Party President Guillermo Teillier, who was tortured for years under Pinochet's regime and helped rebuild the Communist Party while under a fascist dictatorship.


We had the Six Day War in 1967, we had the Nineteen Day War (Yom Kippur) in 1973, and now we've had the Twelve Day War. I wonder how many more very short wars will plague the region until Palestine is freed?

However, moving on from Western Asia from a little while, we have some interesting news from Chile - the former labor minister and communist, Jeannette Jara, has won the primary election for the left-wing bloc in a landslide (~60% of the vote), as the current President, Gabriel Boric, is term-limited. Her achievements include a minimum wage increase and a reduction of the work week to 40 hours.

In November, Jara will face down the contenders from other parties, including José Antonio Kast, who is analogous to Brazil's Bolsonaro. Unfortunately, Jara is now the lead figure of a party that has been taking quite a few Ls under Boric's leadership. Ostensibly a Democratic Socialist, he ruled as - you guessed it - a neoliberal, bending the knee to the US and EU. He not only failed to overthrow the Pinochet-era constitution, he actually allowed the right-wing to turn the proposed new constitution into something worse, and had to settle for campaigning against the new one and keeping the old one. And he had very little solidarity with other left-leaning leaders on the continent, like Maduro, Lula, Petro, or Castillo.

With this in mind, I cannot help but look at Argentina's very recent history and feel a little dread - but if anybody can save Chile at this point, it can only be a communist.


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Israel-Palestine Conflict

If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.

Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news.
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon. - Telegram is @IbnRiad.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis. - Telegram is @EyesOnSouth.
English-language Twitter account in the same group as the previous two. - Telegram here.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.
More telegram channels here for those interested.

Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists
Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Sources:

Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.
Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.
Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.
Simplicius, who publishes on Substack. Like others, his political analysis should be soundly ignored, but his knowledge of weaponry and military strategy is generally quite good.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

Pro-Russian Telegram Channels:

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine Telegram Channels:

Almost every Western media outlet.
https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] [email protected] 38 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Not posting the Trump statement unless Hamas confirm agreement or rejection

[-] [email protected] 32 points 12 hours ago

It is probably another non-ceasefire ceasefire, where there is a 60-day pause and then Israel gets to keep bombing forever as a literal part of the agreement.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 12 hours ago

a 60 day pause is still a limited victory we should conditionally celebrate

[-] [email protected] 28 points 12 hours ago

IIRC, the last such proposal was a 60 day pause of bombing, Hamas disbands and gives up the hostages, then Israel can continue bombing forever.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 11 hours ago

Pretty sure Hamas has been rejecting these pauses. I’m going to wait before celebrating

[-] [email protected] 10 points 11 hours ago

Definitely, not saying we should celebrate NOW.

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[-] [email protected] 85 points 14 hours ago

Tiktok comment sections have discovered "dd to the idf" does not get filtered by the automod and it's showing up everywhere even on non political posts.

[-] [email protected] 28 points 13 hours ago

OK, I feel stupid but what does dd stand for in that context?

[-] [email protected] 40 points 13 hours ago

"Death death to the IDF"

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This is from June 8 but still relevant: The real reason why Israel is arming gangs in Gaza

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The real reason why Israel is arming gangs in Gaza

The Israeli government is intentionally creating chaos in Gaza to justify its colonial rule.

For months, Israel and its defenders have insisted that Hamas is stealing humanitarian aid. They used that claim to justify the starvation of two million people in Gaza – to bomb bakeries, block food convoys and shoot desperate Palestinians waiting in bread lines. We were told this was a war on Hamas and ordinary Palestinians were just caught in the middle.

Now we know the truth: Israel has been arming and protecting criminal gangs in Gaza that engage in stealing humanitarian aid and terrorising civilians. One group led by Yasser Abu Shabab, which is reportedly linked to extremist networks and has engaged in a variety of criminal activities, is directly receiving weapons from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government.

And Netanyahu is proudly admitting to it. “What’s wrong with that?” he said when confronted. “It saves the lives of [Israeli] soldiers.”

What’s wrong? Everything.

This isn’t just a tactical decision – it’s an admission of true intent. Israel never wanted to protect Palestinian civilians. It wants to break them. Starve them. Turn them against each other. Then blame them for the resulting chaos and suffering.

This strategy isn’t new. It’s colonialism 101: create anarchy, and then use it as proof that the colonised cannot govern themselves. In Gaza, Israel isn’t just trying to defeat Hamas. It’s trying to destroy any future in which Palestinians might govern their own society.

For months, Western media repeated the unverified claim that Hamas was stealing aid. No evidence was shown. The United Nations repeatedly said there was no proof. But it didn’t matter. The story served its purpose – it justified the blockade. It made starvation look like a security tactic. It made collective punishment look like policy.

Now the truth is out. The gangs terrorising aid routes were the ones Israel supported. The myth has collapsed. And yet where is the outrage?

Where are the stern statements from the governments of the United States and United Kingdom – the same ones who claimed to care about humanitarian delivery? Instead, we are getting silence. Or worse – a shrug.

Netanyahu’s open admission isn’t just arrogance. It’s confidence. He knows he can say the quiet part out loud. He knows Israel can violate international law, arm criminal gangs, bomb schools, starve civilians – and still be welcomed on the world stage. Still receive weapons. Still be praised as an “ally”.

This is what total impunity looks like.

And this is the cost of believing Israel’s PR machine – of letting it pose as a reluctant occupier, a humane military, a victim of circumstance. In truth, it’s a regime that doesn’t just tolerate war crimes – it engineers them, funds them and then uses them as propaganda.

It’s not just a war on Palestinian bodies, homes or even survival. It’s a war on the Palestinian dream – the dream of ever having a state, of building a future with dignity and self-determination.

For decades, Israel has systematically worked to prevent any form of cohesive Palestinian leadership. In the 1980s, it quietly encouraged the rise of Hamas as a religious and social counterweight to the secular Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO). The idea was simple: divide Palestinian politics, weaken the national movement and fragment any push for statehood.

Israeli officials believed that supporting Islamist organisations in the occupied West Bank and Gaza would create internal conflict among Palestinians – and it did. Tensions between Islamist and secular groups grew and resulted in clashes on university campuses and in the political arena.

Israel’s policy wasn’t driven by a misunderstanding. It was strategic. It knew that empowering rivals to the PLO would fracture Palestinian unity. The goal wasn’t peace – it was paralysis.

That same strategy continues today – not just in Gaza but in the occupied West Bank too. The Israeli government is actively dismantling the Palestinian Authority’s (PA’s) ability to function. It withholds tax revenues that make up the majority of the PA’s budget, bringing it to the brink of collapse.

It protects settler militias attacking Palestinian villages. It conducts daily military raids in PA-administered cities, humiliating its forces and making them look powerless. It blocks international diplomatic efforts by the PA while mocking its legitimacy.

And this policy doesn’t stop at the boundaries of the occupied territory. Inside Israel, Palestinian citizens face a similar tactic: intentional neglect, impoverishment and engineered chaos. Crime is left to spiral out of control in their communities while infrastructure and services are underfunded. Their economic potential is stifled – not by accident, but by design. It’s a quiet war on Palestinian identity itself: a strategy of erasure that aims to turn Palestinians into a silent, faceless minority stripped of rights, recognition and nationhood.

By engineering instability and then pointing to that instability as proof of failure, Israel writes the script and blames us for living it.

This is not just military policy – it’s narrative warfare. It’s about ensuring that the Palestinian people are forever seen not as a nation striving for freedom but as a threat to be contained.

Israel thrives on chaos because chaos discredits Palestinian agency. It allows Israel to say, “Look, they can’t govern themselves. They only understand violence. They need us.”

It’s not just brutal. It’s deeply calculated.

But Gaza and the West Bank are not a failed state. They are places that have been systematically denied the chance to become one.

Gaza is my home. It’s where I grew up. It’s where my family still clings to life. They deserve better – better than a colonial regime that bombs them, starves them and funds the very people stealing their food.

The world must stop treating Gaza and the West Bank as testing grounds for military doctrine, propaganda and geopolitical indifference. The people of Palestine are not a failed experiment. They are a besieged people, relentlessly denied sovereignty. And still, they try – to feed their children, bury their dead and remain human in the face of dehumanisation.

If Netanyahu’s government can admit to arming criminal gangs and still face no consequences, then the problem is not just Israel. It is us – the so-called international community that rewards cruelty and punishes survival.

What’s needed – urgently – are concrete actions to protect Palestinian lives and safeguard the right to Palestinian statehood before it is erased entirely. Threats to recognise a Palestinian state just won’t do.

If the world continues to look away, it’s not only Palestine that will be destroyed – it’s the very credibility of international law, human rights and every moral principle we claim to stand for.

[-] [email protected] 38 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Those gangs are reportedly stealing food from GHF distribution centers while American and Israeli staff make no effort to stop them. Then they go sell it elsewhere.

https://english.elpais.com/international/2025-06-09/scarce-poor-in-nutrition-and-very-difficult-to-cook-the-mirage-of-food-aid-from-the-gaza-humanitarian-foundation.html

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2025/6/25/im-in-northern-gaza-i-would-rather-starve-than-take-ghf-aid

Meanwhile US envoy Satterfield said in February 2024 that no Israeli official had presented him or the Biden Administration with any “specific evidence of diversion or theft of assistance” by Hamas.

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/no-evidence-hamas-is-stealing-aid-to-gaza-us-special-envoy/

“Every accusation is an admission” gang are still batting a thousand

[-] [email protected] 65 points 15 hours ago

Iranian officials hint at the possibility of enriching uranium up to 90%, also known as 'weapons-grade', stating that it may be used to power 'ships' and 'other things'

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[-] [email protected] 57 points 14 hours ago

STOP HINTING AND JUST DO IT OR DON'T

[-] [email protected] 32 points 13 hours ago

lol what’s the benefit in saying “we are developing nuclear weapons” besides soothing the anxious nerves of western nerds

[-] [email protected] 30 points 12 hours ago

They need to shut up and just do it.

The first to hear about it should be seismometers.

[-] [email protected] 22 points 12 hours ago

Sure, but different than “do it or don’t, just be quiet”

[-] [email protected] 39 points 14 hours ago

Yes. A new relation-SHIP with rival nuclear powers.

[-] [email protected] 39 points 14 hours ago
[-] [email protected] 36 points 14 hours ago

Fetterman is kinda right in that it’s a waste of time for anyone to be there. Democrats, if they really truly opposed this bill, would have been filibustering everything and jamming up the entire thing for months while this was cooking.

Them showing up at the last yard to feebly try and swat the ball out of hands of the GOP is very obviously farcical and cynical. They very clearly weren’t playing to win this whole time, so you can’t really blame a player on the team for giving up and going home early.

[-] [email protected] 45 points 14 hours ago

you never have to hand it to that ogre

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[-] [email protected] 27 points 14 hours ago

at-will employment

[-] [email protected] 53 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Trump-backed bill may slap 500% tariffs on nations trading with Russia including India, China

Trump tariff bill Russia India China: The bill, which the Republican Senator said now has 84 co-sponsors, aims to pressure countries like India and China to stop purchasing oil and other goods from Russia, thereby weakening its war economy and pushing Moscow to negotiate peace in Ukraine.

The Indian Express ^01/07/25^

Trade war India China Russia: US President Donald Trump has approved the introduction of a Senate bill that would impose a 500 per cent tariff on countries continuing to trade with Russia, including India and China, Senator Lindsey Graham said in an interview published Sunday.

“Big breakthrough here. So what does this bill do? If you’re buying products from Russia and you’re not helping Ukraine, then there’s a 500 percent tariff on your products coming into the United States. India and China buy 70 percent of Putin’s oil. They keep his war machine going,” Graham told ABC News.

The bill, which Graham said now has 84 co-sponsors, aims to pressure countries like India and China to stop purchasing oil and other goods from Russia, thereby weakening its war economy and pushing Moscow to negotiate peace in Ukraine.

“My bill has 84 co-sponsors. It would allow the president to put tariffs on China, India, and other countries to stop them from supporting Vladimir Putin’s war machine and get him to the table. For the first time yesterday, the president told me … I was playing golf with him [Trump]. He says, ‘It’s time to move your bill,’” Graham added.

The bill, expected to be moved in August, is part of growing US efforts to tighten the economic noose around Russia as its war in Ukraine drags on. India and China have continued buying discounted Russian oil despite Western sanctions, making them targets of the proposed legislation.

The bill is co-sponsored by Graham and Democratic Senator Richard Blumenthal. “We are going to give President Trump a tool in the toolbox,” Graham said, adding that the president told him while golfing, “It’s time to move your bill.”

Initially proposed in March, the legislation was delayed after the White House signaled opposition to expanding sanctions, as Trump was trying to reset ties with Russian President. However, the administration now appears ready to support the effort.

Reports suggest the White House previously pressed Graham to soften the bill. The Wall Street Journal reported that the Trump Administration is “quietly pressuring” the Senate to water down the legislation by turning “the word ‘shall’ into ‘may’ wherever it appears in the bill’s text, removing the mandatory nature of the prescribed reprimands.”

The Journal’s report gained further weight when Graham proposed a carve-out in the bill for countries that support Ukraine—an attempt to prevent a potential US-EU trade war if the legislation is enacted. President Donald Trump, speaking to Politico in mid-June, also signaled hesitation, saying, “sanctions cost us a lot of money,” indicating a reluctance to pursue aggressive economic penalties. However, Secretary of State Marco Rubio later clarified that while such sanctions could disrupt the Ukrainian peace process, the administration has not ruled them out entirely.

If enacted, the legislation could mark a significant rupture in US trade relations with both Beijing and New Delhi. For India, which counts the US as a top export market, the measure could have wide-ranging economic and diplomatic consequences.

[-] [email protected] 33 points 14 hours ago

Oh hey look, China and India are suddenly getting a lot of oil from Kazakhstan

I dunno how good this source is, but you get the idea

https://sanctionsnews.bakermckenzie.com/kazakhstan-changes-regarding-monitoring-of-goods-re-exported-to-russia/

honestly how would america survive if there was suddenly an additional 500% exercise on goods from PRC?

[-] [email protected] 34 points 14 hours ago

honestly how would america survive if there was suddenly an additional 500% exercise on goods from PRC?

We saw what happens when the US levies extreme sanctions on China a few months ago: America buckles.

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[-] [email protected] 25 points 15 hours ago

I SUPPORT THIS WHOLESALE 100000000 TARRIFF ON EVERYBODY PLEAAAASSEEEE WE;RE BEGGING DEAR DONALD kissinger-beg-mercy

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[-] [email protected] 36 points 14 hours ago

Right-Wing Groups Are Fueling Separatist Movements in Canada - Telesur English

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Discontent with federal policies has sparked separatist sentiments in Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba. On Monday, Probe Research released a poll showing that 22% of Manitoba residents would vote in favor of separating from Canada if an independence referendum were held.

Conducted with interviews of 1,000 people and a margin of error of 3.1 percentage points, the survey indicates that up to 70% would vote to remain in Canada. It also reveals that support for separation is strongest in rural areas and among conservative voters.

The results reflect a similar trend in Alberta and Saskatchewan. In these western Canadian provinces, separatist sentiment has grown in recent years, particularly among conservatives frustrated with federal government policies.

That frustration intensified after Prime Minister Mark Carney’s Liberal Party won the April 28 election, causing disappointment among conservatives who have been out of power since 2015.

Currently, Alberta — one of Canada’s wealthiest provinces and the source of 84% of the country’s oil production — is the epicenter of the separatist movement. A poll published in late May indicated that 30% of Alberta residents support independence, up four points from 2021.

In fact, Alberta now shows significantly stronger support for separatism than Quebec did when it held independence referendums in 1980 and 1995. This sentiment is growing amid accusations that the federal government is sacrificing Alberta’s prosperity in favor of Ontario and Quebec.

Alberta’s separatist movement plans to hold a referendum in 2026. In May, it unveiled the proposed question for the vote: “Do you agree that the province should become a sovereign country and cease to be a province of Canada?”

The proposal gained momentum after Alberta Premier Danielle Smith, a conservative, moved to lower the requirements for holding referendums and announced she would not oppose its organization. Ahead of the April 28 election, Smith voiced her opposition to a potential Liberal victory and has since justified the western provinces’ frustration following Carney’s win.

[-] [email protected] 24 points 13 hours ago

It'd be really funny if alberta seperated but had to give up the lower third of the province cause nobody is gonna drive through another country, to go to BC and back. So alberta becomes this tiny weird oil state in the middle of kanada lol

[-] [email protected] 18 points 14 hours ago

Still a large but vocal minority. Is the independence movement still going strong in Quebec or has that sentiment also died down over the years?

[-] [email protected] 21 points 14 hours ago

I think the independence movement died a bit down because of the 1995 referendum, which they lost by less than 2% iirc.

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Argentina: Peronist Candidates Win Big in Formosa and Rosario Elections - Telesur English

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Progressive politicians deal a severe blow to President Milei’s party. On Sunday, Peronist candidates won in local elections in the province of Formosa and the city of Rosario, pushing President Javier Milei’s Freedom Advances party into a distant third place.

The results of these provincial elections may be seen as a prelude to the upcoming national legislative elections in October, when Argentina’s far-right will attempt to counter a resurgent Peronist movement, currently undergoing a process of reorganization following former President Cristina Fernandez’s placement under house arrest.

In Santa Fe, voters chose mayors, city council members and local leaders in 365 municipalities. In that province, “United to Change Santa Fe” — a coalition led by Gov. Maximiliano Pullaro’s Radical Civic Union (UCR) — won in 17 of the 19 major cities.

Another surprise came in Rosario, one of the province’s largest cities, where Peronist candidate Juan Monteverde claimed victory with 30.6% of the vote, beating far-right contender Juan Aleart, who received 28.8%. This marks the first Peronist win in Rosario in more than 50 years.

“The only way to save this democracy we have is to participate more and generate projects that try to represent the majority, even knowing that we are different. Because there is a social majority in Rosario, Santa Fe, and Argentina that does not agree with what is happening.”

“Today, the people of Rosario defeated the president, the governor and the mayor,” Monteverde said. “They voted without fear, against the political machines, and they won because there is a social majority that is struggling and disagrees with what is happening. But it lacked a political force to represent it. In Rosario, that force has now emerged.”

Freedom Advances won in just 2 out of 365 districts, securing 34 city council seats. Despite the modest results, Karina Milei — the president’s sister and secretary of the presidency — celebrated the outcome with fanfare.

In Formosa, Peronist Gov. Gildo Insfran cemented his dominance with more than 67% of the vote. His next goal is to push for a constitutional reform that would allow him to run for re-election in 2027. The far-right Freedom Advances party garnered just 11% of the vote.

From her residence in Buenos Aires, Cristina Fernandez spoke with the two Peronist leaders to congratulate them on their victories. “A few minutes ago, I spoke with my comrade, Gov. Gildo Insfran, to congratulate him on the excellent results for Peronism in the election of constitutional convention delegates and provincial lawmakers,” she posted on social media.

Argentina is currently in the midst of a marathon of staggered provincial elections throughout 2025. On Oct. 26, Argentines will vote to renew half of the country’s legislature by electing 24 senators and 127 representatives.

[-] [email protected] 38 points 16 hours ago

Trump: Doubt we'll make a deal with Japan. Not thinking about extending tariff pause past July 9

July 9 is the big day, where the 90 day pause for the majority of tariffs ends. The China "pause" (current baseline tariff with China is still like 50% lol) lasts for about 30 more days, IIRC? My guess is we're looking at another case of TACO Trump. But it will be crazy if he goes through with it and ends the pause for real.

[-] [email protected] 30 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

the "TACO Trump" shit is fake Dem cope

Trump is winning every time these tariffs come up for re-negotiation. He extracts more concessions each time, and merely postpones the tarriffs. It's become a cycle of him touring the world collecting tributes. The end state of doing this forever is continued US dominance of global markets until other countries finally wise up and start rejecting American demands in unity, as a bloc.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 12 hours ago

The TACO thing is so wild to me. We had Schumer calling Trump TACO for not bombing Iran in April, when Schumer was likely getting some classified briefings on the 250+ fighter aircraft sent to the Middle East. Then Trump actually goes and does the one thing every post 9/11 US president has been desperate to do but never did, bomb Iran. And now I guess the Democratic party line is either that it's "unconstitutional", or that it's another case of TACO Trump because no full scale war with iran? I can't keep up this anymore. By 2027 libs will be saying "see, no worldwide nuclear apocalypse, TACO Trump at it again " as the first bombs drop on Beijing.

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[-] [email protected] 47 points 17 hours ago

⭕️ Iran opts for Chinese J-10C jets instead of Russian Su-35 jets

Following the 12-day US-backed Israeli war on Iran, the Islamic Republic, which had initially set its sights on the twin-engine Russian Su-35, is now shifting toward the Chinese single-engine J-10C, a jet priced around $40–60 million less per unit, due to delays in Russian deliveries.

Of the 50 Su-35 jets promised under a 2023 agreement, only four have been delivered so far, prompting Iran to turn its attention to the Chinese J-10C, the same model operated by Pakistan.

The J-10C is a single-engine, multi-role fighter that Chinese manufacturers market as a more affordable alternative to Western aircraft like the F-16 and Gripen. Its cost ranges from $60 million for the base version to $90 million for fully equipped variants that include weapons, spare parts, pilot training, and warranties.

The Military Balance 2025 report states Iran’s air force had as many as 150 fighter jets prior the the US-backed Israeli war on Iran.

(Khorasan News) Source: The Cradle

anyone with more military expertise able to weigh in on the implications of this?

my questions:

  • why hasnt russia delivered jets
  • how much does this strategically change the equation for iran
  • is iran having a strong airforce feasible economically for them
[-] [email protected] 15 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

why hasnt russia delivered jets

They're at war with Ukraine and have lost at least 8 Su-35s so far. Production is prioritised for this. The original lot of export Su-35s Iran was set to receive were first headed for Egypt, then Iran, and finally ended up in Algeria. Algeria has the cash to pay upfront and then some, they can even overpay for certain features, apparently the Alegrian export specification Su-34s will be better than those fielded by the VKS.

how much does this strategically change the equation for iran

Quite a bit once fully operational and integrated, Israel will have to think twice before a future attack. J-10CEs have quite advanced AESA radars, active radar guided missiles (Fox threes) in the PL-15E that are at least on par the AIM-120C, probably better. Ultimately Israel will still have the advantage with the F-35s, 5th generation capabilities such as stealth and sensor fusion are legitimate "game changers". But any future attack by Israel would have to dedicate a lot more resources to countering Iranian J-10CEs, should Iran accquire them. How effective the J-10s will be depends on the integration with airborne sensors (AWACS) and a ground based integrated air defence system, Iran has neither at the moment, so this will also require significant investment. Pilot training in realistic scenarios is also vitally important.

Is iran having a strong airforce feasible economically for them

It's an existential issue at this point, either Iran exists in a permanently weakened state vulnerable to Israeli airstrikes, or they put serious effort, with foreign partners like China, into reconstructing the state's security. Airborne (fighter jet squadrons) and ground based air defence is a big part of that, arguably more important than nuclear weapons in an Iranian context.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

why hasnt russia delivered jets

Manufacturing in Russia is probably being hampered by sanctions and focused primarily on the war.

China has no such problems. And can be relied upon far more even if sanctioned.

how much does this strategically change the equation for iran

I think we should ask a different question. How much does it change the equation for China.

If China is selling to Iran, they are significantly more incentivised to care about Iran's survival.

is iran having a strong airforce feasible economically for them

To compete with the US? No absolutely not. It will never be "strong" if that is the comparison.

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[-] [email protected] 48 points 17 hours ago

You know you're in wartime production when your machinist friends are too busy to hang out. There has been an astronomical spike in defense production the last few weeks based on word of mouth.

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-- Neglecting to use content warnings or NSFW when dealing with disturbing content will be removed until in compliance. Users who are consecutively reported due to failing to use content warnings or NSFW tags when commenting on or posting disturbing content will result in the user being banned. --

-- Using April 1st as an excuse to post fake headlines, like the resurrection of Kissinger while he is still fortunately dead, will result in the poster being thrown in the gamer gulag and be sentenced to play and beat trashy mobile games like 'Raid: Shadow Legends' in order to be rehabilitated back into general society. --

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