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Are you a law-abiding citizen? (lemmy.world)

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[-] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The power that repels the vampire is supposedly god, which is supposedly stronger than the US Gov (citation needed) meaning no.

However a good question is what exactly is a home and does it need to be sanctified? Can a Vampire enter a graveyard blessed by a cardinal when a groundskeeper lives on the far side?

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Being as that god is typically considered to be the Christian God, then the dogmatic principle of, "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's" should come into play, at least in the western world. Their invitation is from the true owner of the home, the state, which supersedes the current occupants authority as, "all nations are created by God".

However there may be some concept of primacy of house and home that in God's eyes turns out to be more important than the political societal contract we live under that has an exemption for protection from evil supernatural entities, as otherwise a long-lived vampire could simply manipulate the population to get themselves elected as a ruler and cause the citizens to lose one of their fundamental protections from the denizens of the night.

That being said, most law-abiding homeowners would probably permit the entry based on the existence of the warrant by default, so it's likely a moot point.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Must be dumb friends. The answer is no.

A warrant isn't permission from the owner, or anyone inside the house.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

but it's a cop so likely won't be following the rules even for a vampire

[-] [email protected] 1 points 21 hours ago

Cops don't follow rules because there's no one enforcing them. Vampires can't enter homes because god stops them from doing so. So even a cop vampire would need to follow this rule or be turned to ash for not being a Gentleman.

I know, I know. It's a joke and all. I just felt the need to add context on why these rules exist and why their not just arbitrary laws that vampires can just chose to ignore.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago

yeah i just thought it would be funny to think cops would ignore even supernatural laws because they're just that shitty

[-] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago

Tbh, that does sound kind of dope 😂

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Lol, well you have a point there.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

But what is ownership? Ownership is the society-recognized right to the exclusive use of property. But society establishes certain limitations on those rights, including requirements to allow the lawful access by law enforcement to the property.

You intrinsically give law enforcement permission to access property if they have a warrant. It's just part of the bargain of land ownership.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I can see how this mere question can end friendships...

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

What if you're renting? What if the house was appropriated? What if there's a land dispute? What if the land was appropriated? What if it fall under imminent domain? What if it's split ownership? What if there's a dissociative personality involved?

There's so much to be straight up dismissive as "they're dumb friends".

[In the US] A warrant is permission from the representative of a governmental entity that is ultimately in charge of the land and could legally take it from you, so if theydo take it from you, do you still own it? Even if you can't get it back? By that logic does the US own any of the land, since it was first the land of a different peoples?

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

All of those things (Landlords, disputed owners, etc.) don't apply if they aren't in the house.

This is really that simple.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago

But how does it apply? Any 4 walls and a ceiling? Does a window count as being open to invitation? If the vampire knocks down a wall is it now outdoors and they're free to go anywhere that was formerly "inside"

If I put a box I own in someone else's house the vampire has access to can he not access my box while I'm in it? What about a casita style house inside a larger house, like a mother-in-law suite?

Can anyone inside invite them? Can they have a thrall of theirs force or trick their way inside and invite the vampire in?

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Ability to seize isn't the act of seizure nor by that definition is any land owned because most everything has been taken by force at some point.

Renting wouldn't change anything unless they got permission from the owner.

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[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

A vampire police officer would have to abide by both rules. They would need a warrant and an invite. A warrant is legal permission, but not an invite.

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[-] [email protected] 39 points 2 days ago

Legally? Yes. Physically? No.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

My wife asked me this just this week! I said that it would depend on how far the vampire is 'removed' from vampires "tradition". As in, if they were a more recent conversion, maybe more archaic methods like legalistic language wouldn't be enough and a vampire cop could enter with just a warrant. But I think an older vampire-cop who would be more bound by whatever lore suits the trespassing curse/stigma, would still be unable to enter your home without your express permission. Its about domain, not so much ownership.

[-] [email protected] 55 points 2 days ago

Y'all this one is simple.

Legally, yes.

Physically (for supernatural reasons), no.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This is the answer I choose to accept.

“Can I enter your home to arrest you?”

“I don’t know officer squints eyes ..can you?”

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

"I am not resisting arrest. I am merely standing inside my home to be arrested. Why would I step outside to be arrested?

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

What if they're serving an eviction notice and it's no longer your home?

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Then you don't have the authority to grant them entrance

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[-] [email protected] 104 points 2 days ago

No a vampire requires permission from some1 inside the house it could be any1 in the house not just the owner. A warrent give legal permission to enter but its from outside the house thus making it useless for a vampire to enter with alone.

[-] [email protected] 59 points 2 days ago

[citation needed]

[-] [email protected] 54 points 2 days ago

Can confirm; am vampire

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Yes, a vampire could enter with a warrant, whether or not you invited him in. The state ultimately 'owns' your property; if it didn't, then it couldn't kick you out and seize it if you don't pay property taxes. So therefore the state has the authority to give a vampire the right to enter your dwelling. (But what if the warrant was illegally issued, and so the vampire didn't have actual permission to enter? Hmmmm.) Similarly, if you rented an apartment, your landlord could give a vampire permission to enter for a valid reason, e.g., the vampire worked maintenance, and you had a water leak that was damaging another apartment and needed immediate access.