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WASHINGTON, Sept 26 (Reuters) - The U.S. Federal Trade Commission filed a long-awaited antitrust lawsuit against Amazon.com (AMZN.O) on Tuesday, charging the online retailer with harming consumers through higher prices in the latest U.S. government legal action aimed at breaking Big Tech's dominance of the internet.

The lawsuit had been expected after years of complaints that Amazon.com and other tech giants abused their dominance of search, social media and online retailing to become gate keepers on the most lucrative aspects of the internet.

The lawsuit, which was joined by 17 state attorneys general, follows a four-year investigation and federal lawsuits filed against Alphabet's (GOOGL.O) Google and Meta Platforms' (META.O) Facebook.

"The FTC and its state partners say Amazon’s actions allow it to stop rivals and sellers from lowering prices, degrade quality for shoppers, overcharge sellers, stifle innovation, and prevent rivals from fairly competing against Amazon," the agency said in a statement.

The FTC said that it was asking the court to issue a permanent injunction ordering Amazon.com to stop its unlawful conduct. The lawsuit was filed in federal court in Seattle, where Amazon is based.

Amazon shares were down 3%.

Amazon said that the FTC lawsuit was wrongheaded and would hurt consumers by leading to higher prices and slower deliveries.

"The practices the FTC is challenging have helped to spur competition and innovation across the retail industry, and have produced greater selection, lower prices, and faster delivery speeds for Amazon customers and greater opportunity for the many businesses that sell in Amazon’s store," said David Zapolsky, Amazon's general counsel.

The FTC said that Amazon, founded in 1994 and worth more than $1 trillion, punished sellers that sought to offer prices that were lower than Amazon's by making it difficult for consumers to find the seller on Amazon's platform.

Other allegations include that Amazon gave preference to its own products on its platforms over competitors also on the platform. 'MONOPOLY POWER'

FTC Chair Lina Khan said that Amazon had used illegal tactics to fend off companies that would have risen to challenge its monopoly.

"Amazon is now exploiting that monopoly power to harm its customers, both the tens of millions of families that shop on Amazon's platform and the hundreds of thousands of sellers that use Amazon to reach them," she said.

Khan, while a law student, wrote about Amazon.com's dominance in online retailing for "The Yale Law Journal" and was on the staff of the House committee that wrote a report issued in 2020 that advocated reining in four tech giants: Amazon.com, Apple (AAPL.O), Google and Facebook.

Amazon's critics welcomed the lawsuit.

"No corporation has ever centralized this much power across so many crucial sectors. Left unchecked, Amazon’s power to dictate and control threatens the rule of law and our ability to maintain open, democratically governed markets," said Stacy Mitchell of the Institute for Local Self-Reliance which has pushed for the government to act against Amazon.

The need to take action against Big Tech has been one of the few ideas that Democrats and Republicans have agreed on. During the Trump administration which ended in 2021, the Justice Department and FTC opened probes into Google, Facebook, Apple and Amazon.

The Justice Department has sued Google twice - once under Republican Donald Trump regarding its search business and a second time on advertising technology since Democratic President Joe Biden took office. The FTC sued Facebook during the Trump administration and Biden's FTC has pressed forward with the lawsuit.

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[–] [email protected] 158 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good.

We used to bust up monopolies in this country; about time that tradition made a comeback.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fully agree, these companies need broken up into baby bells and they need to be prevented from joining back up together like AT&T did every time they were broke up. Fining 1% of profits as a punishment is not enough to prevent these practices

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Cost of doing business.

[–] [email protected] 88 points 1 year ago (18 children)

Let me guess, they'll be fined 1 cheeseburger, and will continue their practices as normal.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Likely just a hamburger. Cheese can sometimes be pricey.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, it's one banana, Michael. What could it cost? Ten dollars?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Give it like 5-10 years and this joke won't be funny anymore.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I'll give you seventeen thousand months.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Te fine should be taken from the shareholders. I bet that would change things a bit.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It indirectly comes from shareholders. Money gone to pay fines isn't distributed by dividends. Theoretically, this hurts shareholders by decreasing the value of a share, since the company is worth less money after paying the fine. However, assessing a fine that shareholders have to pay out of pocket would trample the concept of limited liability and cause financial panic. I remind you that it's not only rich people that are Amazon shareholders.

I understand the sentiment but this is a pretty uninformed take.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be honest, though, I am finding it harder to sympathize with people who hold shares in a company. Publicly traded companies are everything wrong with the modern-day economy.

It used to be that you work for a place long enough and they pay out a pension when you retired. Now, your retirement comes from a 401k, the value of which is determined by how successfully whatever company you (or rather, your employer) trusts with your money, and then they choose who to invest in regardless of ethics or client preferences. And of course they have to skim enough off the top to pay for their own operations as well.

The entire system is just grift after grift. It doesn't even seem worth it anymore after we've now hit several major economic slumps within just the past 15 years, coupled with the occasional ponzi scheme sprinkled here and there.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

This is why a public pension is the superior option in a sane country. A private pension can be mis-invested or shuttered. A 401k requires financial knowledge or fees individually. A public pension has more safeguards in place and is professionally managed by public servants who cannot use your money to manipulate the market for personal gain. (Their retirement is in a blind trust).

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Those American measurements....

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Dammit. Now I want a cheese burger. But it's 8 in the morning. Gah.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

I go out of my way not to buy from Amazon. It's not some altruistic move - about 3 or 4 years ago I started noticing how little oversight Amazon was placing on the products listed, and you'd be lucky if anything (especially tech) was actually what you'd ordered and not some knockoff or used.

I think I've only bought one or two things from Amazon (other than digital books) in that time frame. I always look to buy directly from the vendor, if I can.

What concerns me is that I've started noticing more and more companies seem to only sell on Amazon. I see this as a mistake, as it hands over more control to one sales channel. I understand a new company doing this, but companies who are well established should maintain their own sales channel directly with their customers, even if they also sell on Amazon.

Recently I bought items from Wahl, Nike and Anker, directly from them. Wahl has products you can only get from their site. I always feel more comfortable just ordering directly from the company when I can, and I notice some companies seem to get that.

If I order directly from the company, I also get better support. I have an actual order number from the company, and correspondence/confirmation from the company. Special deals work better (the same deals on Amazon sometimes have hiccups).

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At this point I feel more ethical just sending my money straight to China through temu.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I'm shopping more and more on aliexpress. Same stuff pretty much. All made at the same places. You just have to be patient about the shipping (though that's definitely getting quicker).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I’m happy to bag on Amazon any day of the week, but most of what you buy aren’t cheap knock offs. No I wouldn’t buy Micro SDs or other generic electronics but for the most part you get what you pay for.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

They hand it over to them because of how Amazon operates.

Let's say you're a small shop and you ship out oven mitts. Paying for storage of your oven mitts can get expensive. So instead of paying for storage, you can actually have Amazon store them in their warehouse and allow people to buy directly from there. You don't have to pay Amazon extra for storage, just their standard fees.

It does make sense if you have a business model that doesn't support storing your products.

I don't like it, but it makes sense for businesses.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Unless it's changed, I'm pretty sure you do have to pay extra for amazon to store items. It's not a lot, but when i dabbled in selling on az using them to store and ship had an extra fee involved.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I've completely switched to eBay for most purchases. Yes they are also a giant company, but more focused on used goods and small sellers.

It's often cheaper than Amazon too, and most major brands have their own official store page. Certified refurbished items come with a 1 or 2 year warranty. I always buy used if it's available, and from the smallest seller, so it recirculates products and helps everyday people who are trying to declutter.

Selling fees have gone up over the years (about 13%, but still much lower than Amazon). And eBay does a lot more advertising for new products now, so I'm not so hopeful long-term. If there was a smaller company offering the same benefits I would switch, but so far nothing comes close (in the US at least).

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Almost every time I find something interesting and unique on Amazon I can find it from the manufacturer at their own site for less, even after shipping

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

There's been some fantastic work in tech about electronic peripherals mostly being rebranded Asian stuff. If you want to follow the rabbit hole there's stuff you can get for insanely cheap that's the same as American brand name quality. (because the insides are literally the same)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you look closely you can see who fulfills the order and what "store" is selling it. An official brand store will usually be reliable if the brand is.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (8 children)

only if its shipped by the seller.

Due to amazons stock mixing practices, You could still get a counterfit/return/broken item no matter what seller you order from if its fulfilled by amazon

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Half the time I order directly from some manufacturer I get fucked my shitty support and zero return policies

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And they only ever ship via UPS or some courier that fucks you with extra fees at the door and won't deliver if you're not there to receive it. Also they conveniently deliver only during regular working hours when people aren't home. Also they cost twice as much as Canada post. Also they'll simply return your item to the seller and keep the money you paid for shipping without even fucking delivering it because they "tried" to deliver it when you weren't home.

I will buy a company's product on Amazon instead of on their own site just so it can be shipped by Canada post and show up in the mailbox like a normal fucking parcel.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Canada still does a version of cash on delivery? Long live the USPS I guess.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

I'm looking forward to Amazon's upcoming light slap on the wrist and increased lobbying efforts.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

great. And they will be required to pay some fines which they will not pay claiming that they don't have such money (!) and that what they are doing is actually a benefit to society since they employee thousands of people. So it will just be forgotten

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