that space could be used for a bigger battery
This is the truly bizarre part. Removing thr 3.5mm port is about thinness.
It is the antithesis of increasing battery life.
Yeah.. I disagree. One only thing that I got to give to bluetooth headphones is dealing with the cable - sometimes it's just more preferable to have no wires, especially during sport activities.
I'm still on the lookout for the next phone with a headphone jack. I was so hoping for it to be the next fairphone, but sadly that's not it. (Old small ZenFone was perfect but software support of Asus is ass)
Not enough room for a 3.5mm audio port, but we absolutely must have a 50MP dual camera plus TOF sensor!
Dafuq kind of take is this?
notices what sub we're in
oh, I see. Carry on.
STRING THEM UP, FELLAS 
Extremely misinformed post. Upvoted.
Counterpoint:
External DACs on multiple recent generations of Pixel devices frequently experience severe distortion and Google seems to not give a shit about fixing that.
I literally cannot use wired headphones or speakers with my phone even with relatively high end equipment without horrific audio glitches.
I have issues even with the simplest Apple USB-C to 3.5 mm dongle on my phone. The USB side rocks back and forth, disconnecting from the phone and exploding my ears with popping noises.
It's also flimsy as hell.
I’ve taken apart a phone for the purposes of replacing a battery. While everything is very compact as you can imagine, there is also a surprising amount of unused space. I’ll admit I’m not an engineer, so I don’t know if this space is error margin for manufacturing tolerances or something, but there is certainly enough room for a jack to be installed were this space tightened up just a little.
No.
I ended up bying a phone without a jack. I got 2 dongles that split into a jack and a charging port, so i can charge in bed while watching videos. One of the jacks has static noise and whine, the other has i think some kind of digital to analog interface that cuts the sound conpletely when the audio is too low.
So i hear static or when i watch a video or listen to an audiobook, when there is a pause in speech i hear the sound cut out completely, or if a video has soft background music on it, it might not pick up on it at all.
It's very distracting.
And if you go online to buy a dongle, they dont really say what they have in them, or you dont know how your phone handles the conversion etc.
So I don't think "just buy a dongle" is the solution. It works but now i have all these problems i didnt have with my old phone that had a jack...
My dongle that supports charging and analog audio for my car has a whine that changes pitch with the motor speed (guessing it's very sensitive to the voltage or frequency of the alternator or something). Though at least it's low enough that it's almost unnoticeable when actual audio is playing.
It also requires the phone be unlocked to start sending audio through the USB interface. And maybe about 10% of the time whe I get it all set up and music/podcast playing, the motion of hitting the lock button on my phone to turn the screen off also bumps the usb port enough for it to briefly disconnect, which stops my audio and forces me to unlock my phone again to get it playing through the cable.
The phone needs to have a DAC anyways if it wants to drive its speakers. I could live with a smaller analog jack, but hate having to use a separate device with its own DAC that is probably way cheaper than the one already in my phone plus they probably don't even isolate the audio signal from the charging signal because the main selling point is just the ability to play audio and charge at the same time.
Clip a ferrite core filter around the audio cable, that should get rid of the whine. You can find them pretty cheap on Amazon or your favorite electronics store.
I did some research about it and it sounds like what I need is a dongle that isolates the charger and audio grounds from each other. Though a ferrite bead might help with the charge whine I get on one of my indoor chargers.
I also did some searching again and came across the usb-c alternate modes. There is an alternate mode for "Audio Adapter Accessory Mode" and this needs certain architecture of the adapter you are connecting to be automatically detected.
From the spec: "The analog audio adapter shall identify itself by presenting a resistance to GND of ≤ Ra on both A5 (CC) and B5 (VCONN) of the USB Type-C plug. If pins A5 and B5 are shorted together, the effective resistance to GND shall be less than Ra/2.
A DFP that supports analog audio adapters shall detect the presence of an analog audio adapter by detecting a resistance to GND of less than Ra on both A5 (CC) and B5 (VCONN)."
So the host has to support it, and the adapter needs to be manufactured so that it turns this feature on.
But i find it difficult to find firstly if my phone supports it, and if the jack is designed with it in mind.
And after that we apply the complexity of also charging in this mode, and chespest possible manufacturing of these things, or they just throw their own DAC in the adapter and call it a day so from phones dac -> usb-c alternate audio mode -> adapters dac -> headphones.
And nowhere have i ever seen the manufacturer of these dongles say how its constructed.
But i will stop here and forget about this because it is way outta my league.
I also have absolutely no idea about if anything i say is correct so readers beware feel free to correct me on all thing usbc!
I disagree. My phone has perfectly acceptable battery life and a 3.5mm jack, I use it all day and get home with over 40% left every day. I need the jack to use my earbuds at work, and to listen to music in my car - and I'm gonna be honest with you something as small as an adapter WILL get lost by me. Everyone's got a different use case, and it might not be important for you, but your use case isn't everyone's.
I like having a separate connector for audio because it gets a lot of use and this lots of wear from the constant plugging and unplugging, and I'm often moving around with the headphones plugged in. I don't want to have to worry about breaking something from doing this.
Small USB connectors tend to be the first point of failure in most of my devices, and a broken USB port would render a phone completely unusable. I don't want to take that risk.
I hate how small the USB-C connector is though! They're fragile and wear out pretty quickly. Everybody discounts the round barrel jack size as if it's a bad thing, i think it's the exact opposite. It's large and the internal contacts are similarly large which keeps them working forever lol
Usb C is far more resilient than the micro B connectors it replaced. What are you doing to your type C ports that makes them wear out? Could just be dust stuck in there, easy to scrape out with a toothpick
I'm comparing it to ports larger ports like 3.5 and USB-A. The ports in the phone are fine, but the plugs on the headphone end wear out like crazy. Carrying a phone in my pocket with a USB-C header sticking out for a while day of work causes it to wiggle around no matter what I do. Eventually I realized it was a losing battle 😐
Aux jack is much more reliable than usb-c and can be plugged into any orientation. It is a superior connector. The size difference is negotiable and phones should be made a few mmm larger anyway to fit peoples hand better.
Yah, I couldn't give a fuck about aux, and up until last year I always had one. I moved on to Bluetooth once it started working properly.
My 2yo phone is still virgin on his aux jack port.
I suspect this is unpopular in the tech community, but if this were truly an unpopular opinion, then phones without a headphone jack wouldn't sell, and they would be replaced in the next generation. Instead, it seems like I get fewer and fewer options each time I look for a phone at the intersection of qualities that matter to me (unlocked bootloader, sd card, headphone jack).
Used for a bigger battery? Lol. OP has never taken a phone apart. Aux port might get you another 20mah. Out of that 4,415mah battery.
I have seen so many people say the 3.5mm port takes up room, and it is such a crock of shit. The space it takes up is practically non existent and it costs almost nothing implement.
Like literally if I'm making a custom circuit board, or even bread boarding, with a microcontroller of all the IO currently on phones a 3.5mm jack is probably the cheapest and easiest thing to implement. It's a hell of a lot less of both than say a finger print scanner and I don't see anyone calling for those to be removed despite the fact that many people don't use that feature.
it should be 2.5mm Aux and not the usual 3.5
true
that space could be used for a bigger battery
for what? for like 10 minutes of extra time?
I'm with you.
I'm still rocking a 7-year-old Galaxy S9+. A few years ago my headphone jack wore out and the gapped hole no longer retains my earbud cable. Since then, I've been using a USB-C adapter, but the combined earbud and charging use is starting to take it's toll and the port is beginning to feel loose.
Adapter use seems more abusive to the USB port than just charging, as it occurs when the phone may be in a tight place (like a pocket), with torque applied to the adapter body. I'm convinced that if I was limited to USB-only over the full life of this phone, I would have lost wired headphone and wired charging capability a long time ago.
Everybody gangster until they lose an Air Pod.
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