An Alabama inmate would be the test subject for the “experimental” execution method of nitrogen hypoxia, his lawyers argued, as they asked judges to deny the state’s request to carry out his death sentence using the new method.

In a Friday court filing, attorneys for Kenneth Eugene Smith asked the Alabama Supreme Court to reject the state attorney general’s request to set an execution date for Smith using the proposed new execution method. Nitrogen gas is authorized as an execution method in three states but it has never been used to put an inmate to death.

Smith’s attorneys argued the state has disclosed little information about how nitrogen executions would work, releasing only a redacted copy of the proposed protocol.

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[+] 168 points 2 years ago (12 children)
  • [–] 71 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    You literally slip into happy fun time

    Is it really 'happy fun time' if you know you're going to die?

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  • [–] 122 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Listen to audio recordings of pilots with hypoxia, they understand something is very wrong with the plane, but they also think it's just fine because they're having a great day.

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  • [–] 71 points 2 years ago

    Weirdly enough, it might be. There are videos of people deliberately testing hypoxia. I've seen one where the person controlling the test told the participant "you know you are dying right now, right?" and the participant responded "Oh" with a big smile. Now maybe the participant was more chill because they knew beforehand that they weren't actually going to die. But they were still completely non-phased watching their brain shut down in real time.

    I'm opposed to the death penalty. But if I had to choose my own way out of this world? Hypoxia is probably top of the list.

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  • [–] 48 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I got a bit hypoxic on top of a mountain. It was 29°F with the wind you'd expect at 14000ft, and I'm just standing there in a t-shirt because I was just so nice and warm, also I was so loopy I could not stop laughing.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Completely ignoring that execution is wrong for a number of reasons

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Why would you even bring up hunger when human trafficking exists in the world? Shame on you.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago

    The issue is with the specific protocol being used. It's not made public or documented. It's almost all though they're interested in torturing him instead of humanely executing him.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    When the original news broke about Alabama using nitrogen, my wife woke me up by hitting my arm to tell me - because I've been saying that is the most humane possible method for the last 16 years.

    I think the death penalty is stupid to begin with, and am kinda over talking about its merits after years of debate team in high school and college. But trying all of these seat-of-pants cocktails of midazolam and pentobarbital etc, and then inventing all of these ridiculous devices that require two people to push buttons at the same time so no one ever really knows whose button actually killed the person.... it's just needlessly complicated and dumb. Not to mention the fact that the legal costs involved in defending appeals and housing someone on death row are much higher than the cost of a life sentence anyway. And that's leaving aside the statistically significant number of wrongful convictions...

    I mean, we shouldn't have the death penalty. But if we're going to, it should be by nitrogen hypoxia.

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    [–] 70 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    We should not be executing anyone. Hypoxia is well documented so he would not exactly be a test subject.

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  • [–] 57 points 2 years ago (23 children)

    You know you live in a third world country if you have discussions about how to kill your citizens. There is no need for the death penalty but a twisted and false sense of justice.

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    [–] 53 points 2 years ago

    America is so fucking stuck in stone age, it's schocking at times!

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  • [–] 52 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    The state should never execute anyone because it implies two things that aren't true:

    1. That the system is infallible.
    2. That a person doesn't have the capacity to improve/rehabilitate.

    That being said. I'll take this method over any other for sure.

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    [–] 38 points 2 years ago (20 children)

    It's way better than an electric chair.

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    [–] 35 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    This is interesting, and I personally feel he is fighting it only because it buys him more time. In a different article (linked in this one), where they announce Alabama's plan to use nitrogen it says:

    Smith, in seeking to block the state’s second attempt to execute him by lethal injection, had argued that nitrogen should be available.

    So he literally asked to use nitrogen, they said "ok" and now's he's saying "how dare you try to use me as a guinea pig"

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    [–] 28 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    A glib reply would be "What's the worst that could happen?, they'd die?" but a far worse outcome is that they remain conscious but in constant pain for an unnecessarily long time. I'm personally against execution of any form but if it's going to be done let's make sure it's humane.

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    [–] 26 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I support giving convicts with death sentences the right to choose the means (within reason). Nitrogen hypoxia is probably more humane than most of the methods we've tried, although I personally prefer bringing back the guillotine. If we're willing to kill a man for justice, we ought be willing to reject childish euphemisms (putting him to sleep) and make a bloody mess of it.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    make a bloody mess of it

    Personally I've been advocating for the "shitload of explosives" method. It doesn't get much more humane than being blown to a red mist in milliseconds, and the audience would love it.

    Medicalized death sentences like the lethal injection seriously creep me out. Even a murderer deserves to face death with dignity, not strapped to a table and injected with poison.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Last time a new method of execution was made, lethal injection, it was developed by a veterinarian who vaguely described how it might work and then it was administered by non-physicians because no doctor would ever touch this. I wonder who developed this new method.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago

    Actually it's pretty well understood.
    The human body reacts to CO2 buildup with a 'gasping for air' sensation. Nitrogen however, not at all. The air we breathe is 80% nitrogen 20% oxygen, so we aren't sensitive to nitrogen at all. Breathing air with little oxygen is something well understood as it can happen to pilots of unpressurized aircraft. Here's a funny example of what happens when pressurization fails. Once ATC figures out he has hypoxia, they order him to descend to 11,000' (which is usually the point hypoxia starts to kick in) and he's fine. But while he's hypoxic, he happily admits he has no control over his airplane and is totally unbothered by that fact.
    There's a thing called a hypoxia chamber- the oxygen % of the air is reduced (not eliminated) to simulate what it's like being at high altitude without pressurization. Always funny videos there, grown men with oxygen-starved brains playing with a children's puzzle trying to put the square block in the round hole.

    Execution by 100% nitrogen is the most humane death I can think of. The gas is odorless, and as it takes effect the prisoner would experience a euphoric feeling before just falling asleep and dying a few minutes later.

    That said, I'm sure they'll fuck this up somehow- most civilized people have concluded that execution is barbaric and unnecessary, so whoever builds the nitrogen gadget is probably not going to be the sharpest tool in the shed.

    And that's what a botched execution would look like- if you shut off the nitrogen too soon or don't ensure a high enough nitrogen concentration, the prisoner will be left with brain damage but not dead.

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    [–] 20 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Alabama really shows itself to be one of the most savage states when it comes to their treatment of prisoners. Fucking monsters.

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    [–] 18 points 2 years ago (23 children)

    I'll take it if he doesn't want it.

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