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[-] [email protected] 142 points 2 years ago

Explaining democracy to Americans:

Imagine a Coca-Cola

[-] [email protected] 87 points 2 years ago

Fascism is when KFC only sells Pepsi.

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[-] [email protected] 32 points 2 years ago

I'm sorry comrade...it must be done

[-] [email protected] 72 points 2 years ago

They put it in the only way Americans would understand.

[-] [email protected] 68 points 2 years ago

Democracy is when corporations own the government and buy every election and control the media entirely. I am extremely intelligent.

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[-] [email protected] 51 points 2 years ago

It is quite a bit less funny when you realize Real Economists^tm^ unironically use nonsense like the Big Mac Index

[-] [email protected] 44 points 2 years ago

of course democracy isn't a flavor of soda, it's a beer socialism-beer

[-] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago

"and that's why the Middle East can't have any!"

  • Generic "Redneck Comedian", circa 2009.
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[-] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

pretty sure every US secretary of state has said some variation of this, but only in defense of the "democracies" of client states that openly fix elections

[-] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I think, to an extent, Western-style liberal democracy is never going to work in China. In any big country, it has a nearly universal tendency to turn into oligarchy.

[-] [email protected] 80 points 2 years ago

I think you missed her point, she's saying that westerners have a narrow view of what even counts as "democracy".

Iosif V. Dzhugashvili quote

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[-] [email protected] 37 points 2 years ago

big if true

[-] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago
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[-] [email protected] 39 points 2 years ago

Also a poet, librarian-archivist, a teacher, and a journalist.

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[-] [email protected] 70 points 2 years ago

china is much more of a democracy than the United States has ever been

Death to America

[-] [email protected] 68 points 2 years ago

China is a democracy though.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago

I am a Chinese person.

The traditional Western definition of a democracy is "a form of government where power is vested in the people and expressed through elections". By this definition, China is highly undemocratic because there aren't genuine competitive elections on any level.

The word "democracy" (民主) as used in Mainland China means "a system of government where leaders respond to the needs and demands of the people". This is slightly different in that a government doesn't need to be elected to be democratic, it just needs to be responsive to popular demand. China's government, especially at local levels, is very responsive to local demands, even more so than in the USA (have experienced both personally). So by this slightly different definition, China is democratic.

In Western political philosophy, China's definition is actually "benevolent government", not "democracy". You can argue that being democratic would actually just be meaningless under the Western definitions if the government isn't benevolent, and I would agree wholeheartedly. But unfortunately English sticks to the Western definitions which is why the statement "China is democratic" will raise eyebrows when said to a crowd of English speakers.

[-] [email protected] 28 points 2 years ago

In America you can change the party but not the policies. In China, you can change the policies but not the party.

[-] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Democracy, the way you and western chauvinists describe it, is nonsense. "Power is vested in the people" is absolutely meaningless apart from a government doing what is desired. In all western countries, these 2 requirements come in complete contradiction. Elections only allow you to choose someone who will not do what you really want and need materially anyways (because their interests are only to convince you once in 4 years to vote for them, but each party is only really competing against the party next to them, and so both move simultaneously in the direction of helping those in power and the ratchet stays). China's definition is much more truthful. Democracy can only be measured by how it achieves what it's populace desires. China is leagues ahead of the west in this way

[-] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The idea that they're not elected is nonsensical though. They are elected at the local level, and then climb.

Not only that but there is absolutely no western democracy where you can replace a candidate with a simple majority vote. If we had the ability to get any candidate thrown out of their role by simple majority vote of the constituency we would have a fucking field day getting every single person in government thrown out of their positions until we got people that were actually doing what the people wanted them to do. This policy alone makes China significantly more democratic than the western democracies. Like holy shit we could get literally ANY person thrown out of government if we had that power, it would be fucking easy. We don't have that power in western systems because it's a massive pressure to keep popular support.

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[-] [email protected] 36 points 2 years ago

Liberal democracy is oligarchic period. Liberal legal frameworks exist to allow the rich to control the playing field.

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[-] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago

It doesn’t work anywhere so yeah no surprise lmao

[-] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago

Western-style liberal democracy

so, not a democracy?

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