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Image is of the damage caused by an Iranian Kheibar Shekan ballistic missile in Israel, causing dozens of injuries.


Now in our second week of the conflict, we have seen continuing damage to both Israel and Iran, as well as direct US intervention which nonetheless seems to have caused limited damage to Fordow and little damage to Iran's nuclear program. Regime change seems more elusive than ever, as even Iranians previously critical of the government now rally around it as they are attacked by two rabid imperialists at once. And Iran's government is tentatively considering a withdrawal, or at minimum a reconsideration, of their membership to the IAEA and the NPT. And, of course, the Strait of Hormuz is still a tool in their arsenal.

A day or so on from the strike on Fordow, we have so far seen basically no change in strategy from the Iranian military as they continue to strike Israel with small barrages of missiles. Military analysts argue furiously - is this a deliberate strategy of steady attrition on Israel, or indicative of immense material constraints on Iran? Are the hits by Israel on real targets, or are they decoys? Does Iran wish to develop a nuke, or are they still hesitating? Will Iran and Yemen strike at US warships and bases in response to the attack, or will they merely continue striking only Israel?

And perhaps most importantly - will this conflict end diplomatically due to a lack of appetite for an extended war (to wit: not a peace but a 20 year armistice) or with Israel forced into major concessions including an end to their genocide? Or even with a total military/societal collapse of either side?


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Israel-Palestine Conflict

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English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.
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Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.
Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.
Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.
Simplicius, who publishes on Substack. Like others, his political analysis should be soundly ignored, but his knowledge of weaponry and military strategy is generally quite good.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

Pro-Russian Telegram Channels:

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine Telegram Channels:

Almost every Western media outlet.
https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] [email protected] 45 points 2 weeks ago

US airbase at Al-Udeid in Qatar is hit by Iranian missiles. US military bases in Iraq, Bahrain and Kuwait go on high alert. US leader Trump is taken to the Situation Room in Washington. Iraq, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates close their airspace

Government of Qatar: "The attack on the Al Udeid airbase is a flagrant violation of Qatar's sovereignty and its airspace. Qatar reserves the right to respond directly, in a manner proportionate to the nature and gravity of the attack, and in accordance with international law."

Government of Iran: "Our operations are free of any threat to brother Qatar and his people. The attack is a response in accordance with international law and the right to self-defense. Our message to the White House and its allies is clear: Iran will not let any attack go unanswered."

Iran's Defense Minister: “We are determined to punish the aggressor, we reject peace imposed by force and we consider Washington a source of crisis and instability in the region.”

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[-] [email protected] 44 points 2 weeks ago

Dnepropetrovsk. They report that they have attacked one of the factories, as well as the railways through which the Ukrainian Armed Forces group is supplied

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[-] [email protected] 44 points 2 weeks ago

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-curbs-injunctions-blocked-trumps-birthright-citizenship-rcna199742

In a 6-3 vote, the court granted a request by the Trump administration to narrow the scope of nationwide injunctions imposed by judges so that they apply only to states, groups and individuals that sued. That means the birthright citizenship proposal can likely move forward at least in part in the states that challenged it as well as those that did not.

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[-] [email protected] 44 points 2 weeks ago

From the outset, Israel’s aims were unmistakable:

  1. torpedo U.S.-Iran diplomacy;
  2. drag Washington into conflict;
  3. take out Iran’s nuclear and missile programs;
  4. trigger regime change.

If the ceasefire Trump just announced holds—and is paired with serious U.S.-Iran diplomacy—it would mark a strategic defeat for Israel in launching this war.

Netanyahu took his shot. A desperate Hail Mary. And none of it has worked up until now.

Fordow was evacuated. The site may very well be intact.

And in any case, Iran’s enriched uranium stockpile and advanced centrifuges are now hidden, with a stronger covert breakout ability than ever.

The Iranian public has rallied in defense of the country and against foreign aggression.

If the government channels this unity into a new social contract, it could be transformative. If not, the old polarization may return.

Meanwhile, Iran has hit Israel hard over these 12 days: Tel Aviv, Haifa, the north, south, and other cities have seen major destruction. Military and intelligence sites damaged. Energy and research infrastructure hit.

Israel’s vaunted air defenses failed the test. Its reliance on the U.S. has never been clearer.

Netanyahu saw the costs of a war of attrition and blinked.

But for Iran, can any ceasefire be trusted?

Unless it’s tied to credible U.S. diplomacy—not maximalist demands—and unless Israel halts covert attacks and assassinations and continued airstrikes (a la Lebanon and Syria), this truce will likely collapse.

Trump helped create this mess by enabling Netanyahu.

If he truly wants to stop the region from being “destroyed,” as he just said, he’ll have to restrain Netanyahu and force a ceasefire in Gaza too.

Lasting peace is impossible until Netanyahu and his war-first approach is gone for good.

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[-] [email protected] 44 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

some kind of trade deal signed between china/usa, according to bloomberg:

short excerpt, nothing clear about house training level of china vs tariffsLutnick said that under the agreement inked two days ago, US “countermeasures” imposed ahead of the London talks would be lifted — but only once rare earth materials start flowing from China. Those US measures include export curbs on materials, such as ethane that’s used to make plastic, chip software and jet engines.

The agreement comes as the US moves to ease restrictions on exports of ethane, with the Commerce Department earlier this week telling energy companies they could load that petroleum gas on to tankers and ship it to China — but not unload it there without authorization.

(literally lmao about ethane and eda, china truly ruled by weird guys, ethane is easy to make, eda is needed to be made, engines are necessary evil if they are that slow on the uptake)

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[-] [email protected] 44 points 2 weeks ago

Russia Expects Israeli Threats Against Ayatollah Khamenei to Be Empty Words - Telesur English

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Russia doesn’t seek to act as a mediator in the Israel-Iran conflict but is making proposals to help resolve the situation, Putin said. On Friday, Russian President Vladimir Putin expressed confidence that Israel’s threats to assassinate Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei were merely rhetorical.

“I would like to believe that the things you mentioned remain on the level of rhetoric,” the Russian leader told the moderator of the plenary session at the St. Petersburg Economic Forum.

Two days earlier, during a briefing with representatives of major news agencies, Putin said he did not even want to discuss the possibility. “I’ve heard all this, but I don’t want to talk about it,” he said emphatically.

On Thursday, however, Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz once again used hateful and threatening language, explicitly stating that Ayatollah Khamenei “can no longer be allowed to exist.”

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has also escalated his rhetoric against Iranian authorities, while the Israeli military has intensified its airstrikes against Iran, where hundreds have been killed, including high-ranking military officials and nuclear scientists. In an interview with U.S. network ABC, the Israeli leader claimed that Khamenei’s death would end the conflict rather than escalate it.

On Friday, Putin also stated that Russia does not seek to act as a mediator in the Israel-Iran conflict but is making proposals to help resolve the current situation.

“I want to emphasize that we are not seeking any mediation role—we are simply proposing ideas. And if they are appealing to both sides, we will be glad… Our proposals are currently under consideration. We maintain almost daily contact with our Iranian friends. So we’ll see,” he said.

In his latest phone call with Putin, U.S. President Donald Trump rejected Russian mediation in the ongoing conflict between Israel and Iran. Meanwhile, on Thursday, Russia’s Foreign Ministry condemned as “cynical” the attempts to justify Israel’s attacks on Iran, which began a week ago.

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[-] [email protected] 44 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Please be true, posted 2 min ago (lmao the humiliation)

“An informed source told Fars News: The ceasefire plan proposed by US President Donald Trump is completely false and was put forward with the aim of diverting public opinion from the recent humiliation of the United States in attacking its bases in the region.

🔸Noting that no official or unofficial proposal for a ceasefire has been received from Iran, this source emphasized: In response to this media atmosphere, the Islamic Republic of Iran will show the Zionist regime the falsehood of this claim in practice and on the ground in the coming hours.”

https://t.me/farsna/379101

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[-] [email protected] 44 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I missed the boat, but I can't help but still respond to this comment by @[email protected] from the previous news mega:

he's an english literature graduate who decided to create a "new kind of history", based on asimov's psychohistory, after teaching a shallow as fuck course of "the entirety of human history" (lmao.) to some school age teenagers

People who understand neither history, nor psychology, nor mathematics, nor Asimov. SMDH.

(This actually semi includes Azimov himself, recursively, but that's okay because he was writing sci-fi and knew he was writing sci-fi.)

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[-] [email protected] 44 points 2 weeks ago

Israel launched this campaign against Iran with the goal of regime change and destroying Iran's nuclear program, and it has failed at both objectives. The ceasefire gives Iran time to sort out its internal security issues and intelligence failures and time to build up its air defense network. IMO Iran won here.

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[-] [email protected] 43 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Man I fucking hate how the US is such a fucking lame ass declining empire with a dumbass president and still has enough power to fuck millions of people over.

I think that, except for a miracle, the Palestinian people are done for. A slow genocide in front of the world, going unstopped.

My only hope is that "Israel" collapses into civil war first but even that is not a guarantee of Palestinian survival.

Only "Positive" of an Iranian ceasefire is that the focus will switch back to Palestine, for whatever little that's worth.

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[-] [email protected] 43 points 2 weeks ago
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[-] [email protected] 43 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Comrades, I hate to say it but

Did trump just play 5D chess?

A bunker buster strike to appease the Israelis that didn’t bust any bunkers and an arranged counter strike that didn’t strike nothing and no war in the Middle East but the Israel lobby can’t complain?

If the above is true, and I don’t know right know if I believe it is, then this is a masterpiece of stringing thread through eyes of needles.

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[-] [email protected] 43 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I watched Brian Berletic’s latest on Iran yesterday, I check in about once a month these days because he repeats the same things a lot. One thing he’s been talking about for a decade and which I haven’t seen mentioned here is the 2009 Brookings Institution analysis paper Which Path to Persia?, a pdf of which which can be downloaded for free from their website here

picture of table of contents

Brian goes over it in his videos on the subject, but it is definitely worth a look because it really does lay out the exact strategy the US has been following since 2009. Here's a link to his latest video that starts when he dives into the paper

here's a link to his 2012 article on this paper

Some quotes Brian touches on:

spoilerFor those who favor regime change or a military attack on Iran (either by the United States or Israel), there is a strong argument to be made for trying this option first. Inciting regime change in Iran would be greatly assisted by convincing the Iranian people that their government is so ideologically blinkered that it refuses to do what is best for the people and instead clings to a policy that could only bring ruin on the country. The ideal scenario in this case would be that the United States and the international community present a package of positive inducements so enticing that the Iranian citizenry would support the deal, only to have the regime reject it. In a similar vein, any military operation against Iran will likely be very unpopular around the world and require the proper international context— both to ensure the logistical support the operation would require and to minimize the blowback from it. The best way to minimize international opprobrium and maximize support (however, grudging or covert) is to strike only when there is a widespread conviction that the Iranians were given but then rejected a superb offer—one so good that only a regime determined to acquire nuclear weapons and acquire them for the wrong reasons would turn it down. Under those circumstances, the United States (or Israel) could portray its operations as taken in sorrow, not anger, and at least some in the international community would conclude that the Iranians “brought it on themselves” by refusing a very good deal."

spoilerThe truth is that these all would be challenging cases to make. For that reason, it would be far more preferable if the United States could cite an Iranian provocation as justification for the airstrikes before launching them. Clearly, the more outrageous, the more deadly, and the more unprovoked the Iranian action, the better off the United States would be. Of course, it would be very difficult for the United States to goad Iran into such a provocation without the rest of the world recognizing this game, which would then undermine it. (One method that would have some possibility of success would be to ratchet up covert regime change efforts in the hope that Tehran would retaliate overtly, or even semi-overtly, which could then be portrayed as an unprovoked act of Iranian aggression. This suggests that this option might benefit from being held in abeyance until such time as the Iranians made an appropriately provocative move, as they do from time to time. In that case, it would be less a determined policy to employ airstrikes and instead more of an opportunistic hope that Iran would provide the United States with the kind of provocation that would justify airstrikes. However, that would mean that the use of airstrikes could not be the primary U.S. policy toward Iran (even if it were Washington’s fervent preference), but merely an ancillary contingency to another option that would be the primary policy unless and until Iran provided the necessary pretext.

The most important point Brian drives home is this: Iran is one domino on the way towards China, and nothing is stopping the US from continuing down this path. Any talk of negotiations, not wanting war or escalation, etc is running cover for the next phase of US led, authorized, and planned escalation towards maintaining global hegemony.

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[-] [email protected] 43 points 2 weeks ago

I wondered what sort of shit I could find if I googled Trump "wartime president". I found this right away.

It was a flinty performance on the night he became a wartime president, although it came with flashes of vulnerability.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/06/22/donald-trump-speech-iran-attack/

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