Even if every claim of Russian ebil oligarchy was real, to which many of the claims are bogus, at worst it is still an economically and militarily less-influential version of the US-NATO empire?

Surely, even if you were an anarchist or otherwise anti-nationalist on the left, you would see the historic importance of said US Empire suddenly biting off more than it can chew and being drawn into collapse?

I know there are exceptions like the A"C"P, but most people on the left I know that "support" Russia are just supporting the growing attrition and contradictions against the imperialist system. Those same people are all very aware of limitations and contradictions within the Russian, Chinese, Iranian states.

In short, you can't expect to win against the imperialists if every time the imperialists face a challenger you spend countless hours criticising the challenger's politics as if this wasn't already universally agreed within the statement critical support.

Lenin invented revolutionary defeatism and it lead to the revolution. Luxemburg and Liebknecht said the main enemy is at home. From both follows, that the main task of leftists in the imperial core is, to oppose "our" imperialists. The ones we actually can affect. I'm happy if I see comrades in Russia do work against their oligarchy but I won't get tricked into supporting western oligarchs' NATO wars. Guess that's campist now? It just makes sense to spend time and resources where they actually change things - unless you don't really want fundamental change, because you enjoy your white western privilege too much.

Ok Contra, but you don't support any opposition, State or non-State.

You don't have any problem with the state or capital, only see those running it as incompetent and wish they'd fulfill their part of the class collaborationism deal.

I'll never understand why it's so hard for some people to understand that the US is literally an evil empire that exploits, oppresses, and murders people all over the world. Of course all rightwing governments suck, but it's easy to see that the US is the primary enemy of leftist movements across the planet. If we want communism, we need the US to collapse and movements all over the place preventing the vacuum from being filled by something worse.

Idk seems like anyone left of liberals would understand this.

Russia is not a far right country ,in fact Russia is one of the ONLY counties in Europe not led by a fascist maniac

If you know anything about geopolitics you would know that Russia is opposed by right wingers in the global south but supported by left wingers ,example (election with a pro trump candidate vs a pro Putin candidate)

Also let’s look at Putin’s policies : more tolerant on immigration than the USA ,Germany ,Poland ,Baltic states ,France

Abortion is legal and will likely never be removed as a right

Muslims and ethnic minorities are actually protected by the state

Is NOT viewed as a nationalist

His MAIN opponents are Nazis ,Neo Nazis ,monarchists (who are also Neo Nazis) , NeoLibs who want to privatize Russia

Is Putin a communist ? No he’s not and Russia is not a communist country by any means but that doesn’t fucking matter ,there are ONLY 5 communist countries on the fucking planet

And I hate this absolutely braindead thing from westerners not libs but comrades about Putin being a fascist ,I don’t respect liberals so I don’t care but I hate when our comrades say this while simultaneously defending Bashar Al Assad (rightfully)

If Bashar isn't a fascist (he isn’t but he has more reactionary opinions than Putin) than Putin isn’t

Also as for the Russia is anti communist thing ,yes I don’t care ,Russia is not even close to being the most anti communist country in the world proven by the fact it’s literally an ally of communist states and Putin is not much of an anti communist as a lot of Russian are these days (unfortunately) as well as his opposition

Putin also isn’t really a dictator but this one is more complicated as elections are rigged in Russia just not to a full extent ,most Russians would vote for Putin even if elections were completely fair but there is indeed corruption

Sorry for how angry I have been but I can’t tolerate nonsense

And please mods I’m not gonna deal with any of the libs that will reply to this comment ,it’s your job

I am once again screaming into the void that is the yankoid skull "YOU GOT WHAT YOU FUCKING WANTED, YOU DISSOLVED THE USSR, YOU WON, PUTIN IS LITERALLY YOUR GUY, SHUT THE FUCK UP"

Calling people "campists" while retweeting the NAFO camp.

It's crazy that anyone who glazed Hillary of all people is taken seriously in any capacity amongst left leaning people.

To be fair, she had a good video or two...ten years ago. Now its just "look at me i have money and lol tankies mad." Its been that way for 9 years at least, I clocked that shit a mile ago.

If people pay you to live your life like that, cool, great, get the bag. But don't pretend to be some arbiter of the left when you're cozying up to

Idk, I could be wrong, im speaking after not having seen any of her content for a decade....but something tells me im not.

"They dont want power, they want to critique power"

No fuck you we want power why did we spend all that time and effort trying to elect local socialists in my city? Why was PSL on the presidential ballot in a lot of states? What is wrong with critiquing power anyways?

jesus, they're gonna bring back "campists"? I thought they already exhausted that one past its expiration date back in 2020 or something?

"Campism" in practice always just looks like "knowing what side you're on and rooting for outcomes accordingly."

Streamers and other e-celebs who make their money off of "challenging people's ideas online" (contain your laughter!) hate the idea of people making up their minds and moving on.

I would like Natalie to tell me which western country will support any newly socialist country.

Of course we oppose them. These alternative enemies of the west will occasionally support socialist states.

Remember when she said she was going to become a white liberal woman and we laughed at the bit. I am starting to think it wasn't just a bit.

I'm a lot more anti-ethnic cleansing than I am pro-liberal democracy. If one side of a conflict is doing ethnic cleansing, and the other side's biggest failure (relative to the first side's) is not being a liberal democracy, I'm taking the side that's stopping ethnic cleansing 10 times out of 10.

It's my favorite thing when neoliberal slime appropriate the stupidest elements of Trotskyism.

Also, I have no respect for anyone who uses the word "oligarch" to mean "Asiatic-style capitalist" and I struggle to conceive how professed anticapitalists can still like her. Well, of course I can, she's part of their consumer lifestyle brand, she's an affectation of quippy, artsy, intellectualism that is so much more effective at bringing about real change by punching left over and over and over.

In my experience people think im unconditionally for Russia if I make any criticism of Ukraine

Not interested in the takes of someone who has barely expended a breath calling out genocide

“No one is uniquely evil everyone is bad but Russia and non western countries are worse than the west; I deserve patreon bux for this highly novel opinion you can’t find anywhere else”

“I got depression because people got mad at me for simping for democrats in 2016, 2020, and 2024 and that’s my whole personality now it was really bad I was inside all the time and took drugs I had door dash for every meal and was able to always pay my rent/bills also the fact that you’re referring to that privilege is making me even more depressed and victimized”

Hillary Clinton, a right wing genocidal oligarch and recipient of $2.3 million dollars of AIPAC money

Contrapoints leaping to defend her for some reason

Both criticisms are just making shit up because they are incurious. "Tankies" always have long explanations for countries they critically support in various actions or just, you know, don't racistly villify as existential evils.

"Niger should continue to be colonized by the French" - this woman

"campist"

Literally just "voting for the lesser evil" but applied to geopolitics.

The US is a far-right oligarchy, especially when it regards foreign policy.

Don’t you know that Afghanistan is full of religious fundamentalists and that’s why all these backward people DESERVE to be bombed?

Saddam was a bloodthirsty dictator and that’s why half a million Iraqi people dying is a price that is WORTH paying for toppling his regime.

Putin’s war in Ukraine is objectively 10 times WORSE than the entirety of Hitler’s regime during World War 2.

That she’s responding to “Decolonize Russia” makes this post even more funny