[-] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago

Thanks! I think beyond pink or blue has a good chance of being accepted and I already started reading it once and it's definitely on my list.

The Jakarta Method sounds good too.

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You mean the novel by Ursula LeGuin? I haven't read it yet, but I like her style. I think the group wants a non-fiction book, but I'll put it on my own reading list

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don't Platonists think that the shapes we observe in the world are projections of or related in some way to ideal shapes that lives in the world of ideas

Yes, exactly. It's also called the world of forms, but the greek word is idea. But it has not the same meaning as idea in English. Platos ideas or forms are universals. They aren't ideas in a human mind or any other mind. They just are.

So there are two main categories of ontological idealism: subjective and objective (I had to look these terms up). The subjective one has the ideas in our human minds be all (we can say about) reality. Like in phenomenalism. Plato would reject that, because to him the forms were really existing outside our minds.

The objective kind of idealism has ideas in some kind of non-human mind like God or Hegels universal Spirit. Plato didn't have that. So neither definition fits.

Some people would still describe him as idealist, but that's anachronistic. What we now call idealism developed later. Personally, I think Plato himself was neither a materialist nor an idealist, but he was a realist. Later, neoplatonists and then Christian platonists started thinking of the forms as ideas in the mind of "the one" or of God. They were idealists and they relied heavily on Plato, so there is an affinity.

We could talk about historical or political idealism and I'd have to admit, that Plato definitely thought good ideas would lead to good politics (he wanted a philosopher king). So he definitely was an idealist in that sense. About historical idealism I'm not quite sure, but probably at least somewhat.

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realism is a type of materialism

I agree that there are many types of materialisms. It's usually understood the other way around though. Realism is the position that there is a reality outside our minds. Any materialist philosophy holds, that this reality is fundamentally made out of matter. So every materialism is realism, but not every realism is a materialism. For example platonic realism has forms as the primary constituents of reality instead of matter. So there are different kinds of realism too and not all are materialist.

scientism is idealist not materialist

Yes, totally. Many people don't get that, but I agree. I'm just saying some people might take the meme as an example of scientism, but I know that wasn't intended. It's not important anyway. I think the audience here gets it.

through many experiments we conclude that it is reasonable to assert that the material world exist outside our minds and independently from them. So I'm not disagreeing with you here.

Yeah, we're on the same page 😊

[-] [email protected] 6 points 23 hours ago

Well, they certainly are welcoming.

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That's not materialism, that's realism, maybe a bit like Roy Bahskars critical realism. And in this meme format it can even give the unintended impression of leaning towards scientism. Scientism can itself lean towards bourgeois idealism, if it sees science as neutral, static and apolitical or assumes the existence of a definitive and unchanging scientific method.

Materialism is usually realist, but Marx justified his realist stance more with appeal to praxis than to science. Both is fine. Any marxist materialists would of course situate science in the social totality and affirm the many ways it is itself shaped by contradictions and class struggle.

Many later marxists would also reject metaphysical proof of ontological realism. They'd take a weaker realist stance motivated by probability and practicality instead of absolute proof in order to apply materialism in praxis.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

Thanks for this great post

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Question: My leftist friend who only just recently started maybe identifying as communist has a book club. They just finished "Why Vegan?" by Peter Singer and now he invited me to join for the last session on that book next week and to bring book suggestions for the next read. The group consists of a mix of liberal to leftish to leftist with an academic background in history. But no marxists, anarchists or MLs. The decision which book to read will be reached by consensus. Which books can I suggest to maximize my chances of effectively radicalizing the most people? And of one of my books being picked at all... And how should I make my case for the book?

It should probably not be too dense or long. Something on Palestine? Something by Lenin? Something from a non-cis/non-male/non-white Marxist? Something against imperialism or for trans/queer liberation? Any input welcome.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Thanks! So it's arctic sea ice area measured by "satellite-borne passive microwave sensors".

[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago

Is this graph about ice? It's not titled.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Preach! I'll be sure to use this in real life.

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I tried to research that, but couldn't find anything. Seems they quickly rot, even at moderately warm temperatures. I have to call bullshit.

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I have a friend who's a actually becoming more and more leftist and lately even communist but not yet fully Marxist. I'm trying to help him shed lib ideas. He specifically asked me if we could have a talk at some point on war. He's confused about the war propaganda. Like just a vague "Haven't things changed maybe because of Russia? Maybe we in Europe need to boost defense now etc."

I want to introduce him to Lenins Idea of revolutionary defeatism, because I think it applies to our historical moment. A revolutionary can not but desire the defeat of his imperialist government. Also Liebknechts line:"the main enemy is at home". The main task for leftists in imperial core countries is to fight the imperialists we can actually effect: the ones right here. You can be happy about any success of comrades in Russia fighting their oligarchy, but don't get roped into supporting western oligarchs' NATO wars.

We both care about trans and queer issues a lot, so he will bring up fears of evil Russia conquering part of Europe and rolling back queer rights. I can contextualize by bringing up the moral track record of western countries (like the ongoing genocide). But is there a more direct answer? Also just in general, I'm not sure if I'm missing an obvious angle or argument. Anything you would definitely mention on war? Suggested reading?

I might have to get into the specifics, of how the war developed historically, but there will be a lot of propaganda to unravel, so ideally, I'm looking for a concise argument, that can pierce the propaganda and illuminate the truth. Hope that's not too much to ask ;)

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As some feel too hopeless to get out and organized, I was reminded of this quote:

The first lesson a revolutionary must learn is that he is a doomed man. Unless he understands this, he does not grasp the essential meaning of his life. [...] I have no doubt that the revolution will triumph. The people of the world will prevail, seize power, seize the means of production, wipe out racism, capitalism. [...] The people will win a new world. Yet when I think of individuals in the revolution, I cannot predict their survival. Revolutionaries must accept this fact.

  • Huey P. Newton

I like this sense of letting go. Letting go of the necessity to personally catch a glimpse of the new world with my own eyes. Maybe I will. I almost surely won't. And yet, I want to help us get there. Even if things have to get worse before they get better, I want to help keep that spark alive.

Activism burnout is real and valid. If you're effected, take all the time you need to heal. But recognize it's similar to depression in that it lies to you. It lets you see reality through a distorted, non-materialist lense where everything is hopeless. (Might even lead to actual depression.) Don't confuse it for wisdom. Material contradictions will move history forward.

To avoid that burnout in the first place, if we organize around a moment that arises outside of our control, we should anticipate the ebb and flow of social forces, of action and reaction. Use any arising moment to agitate, grow our forces, raise class conciseness, strengthen our orgs. And don't be surprised or disappointed when inevitably the moment passes and forces of reaction take the stage. The moment will only not pass once. Until then we have to endure. And only personally commit what we can sustain long term.

Also we should be understanding towards people who feel burned out from activism. Don't call them weak or pressure them, but invite them to come back in their own time (but don't let people spread nihilism either).

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I recently leaned about how the dogma of divine simplicity shaped the history of philosophy, especially metaphysics and the problem of universals in the Islamic world as well as in Christianity. Basically it's the idea, that God is identical to each of his (her/their/just) attributes. By extension, each of the attributes is identical to every other one. So this obviously touches on the problem of universals. Ibn Sina (Avicenna) added the conclusion, that for God, essence is existence. Ibn Sina is key for this in Islam, as well as Christianity (because people like Thomas Aquinas learned his teachings and shaped scholastics for centuries).

Divine simplicity is central in the different schools of Islam and a dogma in Catholicism. Protestants kind of stopped talking about it, but never officially gave it up and Calvinists revived it. Only cool new streams like process theology distance themselves from it.

About the stupid joke in the title: Divine simplicity means, God has literally no parts you can point to (no pun intended), to determine their gender (no material parts, no temporal parts, no metaphysical or ontological constituents). If God has a gender, it must therefore be identical to all their other attributes, as well as themselves.

Question: If you got any religious education, was divine simplicity ever mentioned? Cause I never heard of it until recently, even though it's so central, that other attributes are typically derived based on it (for example immutability, infinity, omniscience) in official doctrine. Or, in Ibn Sina's case, even existence as well as every other attribute.

Do religious people still care about this? What would be cool pronouns for justice, freedom, truth, omniscience, etc.?

Edit: Also, do you know people who reject this dogma or accept it, but make mistakes around it? Like saying:"God might get angry or have wrath, but God IS love", which mistakenly elevates one attribute above the others.

I have no stake in this, as an atheist, just interested and willing to learn. And like I said it's historically relevant for the history of philosophy, no matter what you believe.

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