Are they cops?

Are the ICE?

Are they cosplayers?

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[–] 156 points 1 year ago (45 children)

Silencers aren't actually silent, they're still quite loud, it's nothing like in shows and movies

In real world usage, they're really only useful for reducing the decibels a bit for hearing protection reasons

Suppressor is a more apt term for them

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    they're really only useful for reducing the decibels a bit for hearing protection reasons

    Given that a couple decibel is a big range that can mean the difference between permanent damage and no damage at all, I'd call that pretty damn useful!

    But yeah, you're otherwise absolutely right, of course 😁

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    [–] 88 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    These do not work the way they do in the movies. If he fired that rifle it would still be quite loud even with the suppressor on. But the difference it makes is that if he fires it indoors it won't blast out the ear drums of everyone in the room.

    I'd say the more important thing to point out with this picture is that the reason why they're kitted out like this is that they want to discourage people confronting them as they're committing another atrocity in plain sight. They know that people will not stand powerless much longer as someone is being kidnapped before their eyes.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is also why silencer bans are fucking stupid, all it does is changes it from "goodbye ear drum" to "well that was loud", I am generalizing somewhat but my point still stands. Unless we are talking about some obscure shit like the Welrod which is ridiculously silent because like most of the damned gun is silencer, it's more silencer than gun.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    Great point. Silencers/suppressors are for the comfort of the person shooting the gun. Those are part of group combat in urban warfare. So they aren't impacting themselves or their brown shirt friends with muzzle blast while shooting people inside houses or other buildings.

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    [–] 72 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Remember, slugs can go through body armor. If any of these mfs are not identifying as police, have no badge or warrant, and are armed to the teeth....they could be any joe off the street.

    Defend yourself and your home.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    A 12 ga. slug probably won't, but these typically also weigh a full ounce and will be packing 2,300-3,000 FPE or so. Even if it doesn't penetrate, the presumptive target is likely to wind up flat on his ass and not in a position to get up in a hurry. Imagine getting hit by a dump truck that's about 3/4" in diameter.

    Modern body soft body armor can usually be counted on to be designed around stopping pistol and maybe intermediate cartridges up to 5.56 or 7.62x39, so whatever big game chambering you have in your Fudd rifle is likely not to be too impressed by it. Just to throw some perspective out there.

    It's possible some of these dweebs could be strutting around in level III or IV plates but this doesn't seem like a strong possibility. The chump in the picture certainly isn't.

    I think these morons are putting on a big old show to make themselves look tough but they are absolutely not acting like they really expect any resistance.

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    [–] 62 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    The far better question is why they need assault rifles?

    A suppressor is actually a good thing to put on any weapon. That's why they're becoming standard in the military. Guns are unbelievably loud, to the point that they can cause serious and permanent hearing damage to people around you when you fire them. If you're accepting the premise that an armed police force is a good thing (I disagree, but that's a separate discussion) it at least makes sense to minimize collateral damage. The sound of gunfire is especially dangerous indoors; if an officer was forced to fire their weapon in an environment like they could actually seriously injure innocent bystanders just from the noise alone.

    On the other hand, collateral damage is exactly why a 5.56mm carbine makes no sense as a police weapon. Those rounds will go straight through a human body, straight through a brick wall, and still be lethal. You could end up killing someone you can't even see. It used to be that when law enforcement wanted extra firepower, they used submachine guns and shotguns, weapons with very little potential for overpenetration. But then police forces all started freaking out about the idea that every criminal was going to be wearing level 3 body armour and demanding to use the same guns soldiers use (not helped by the fact that cops in the US are allowed to buy surplus military equipment at knockdown prices).

    This doesn't come from an operational need, it comes from the fact that every cop wants to cosplay at being military, but without all the hardships that actually come with that. That's why you see federal agents and SWAT all running around in multicam and other military camo patterns, despite the fact that those patterns really don't do much of anything in an urban environment. It's all just dress up to make their peepees feel bigger.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Well said. If you've ever been next to someone at an indoor range firing large caliber rounds without a suppressor, it's very unpleasant to be near them if you're plinking 9mm or 22lr.

    I support taking supressors off the NFA (and also abolishing the NFA altogether, but that's another argument). Calling them silencers is incorrect. They're safety devices. Some states don't even classify them as firearms. Any supersonic round is still loud enough to require ear protection.

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    [–] 48 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    How do we know some abductions aren't be carried out by white nationalists murdering the people they toss into vans?

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    [–] 41 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    Why do they need AR's in an urban domestic environment? It's part cosplay, part intimidation factor. At least that thug is practicing proper trigger discipline.

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    [–] 35 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    why do we all need to continue this giant circle jerk? is there a single person here who doesn't understand that republicans are evil, that cops are fascists, that capitalism is killing us, that our president is a fucking moron, that corporations are run by sociopaths, and that religion is the scaffolding that holds it all together?

    i mean seriously. i'm confused. do you guys just enjoy joking about it all? do you need the dopamine high of dunking to the choir? why don't we talk about solutions instead of rehashing the same old bullshit day after day?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    do you guys just enjoy joking about it all?

    Yes.

    Morale matters.

    Humor is a weapon.

    Preaching to the choir is an important part of a pastor's job - because who wants to hear the Word more than true believers do?

    Online circlejerks are powerful community building tools - they reaffirm true believers' loyalty, strengthen the commitment of moderates, and expose visiting lurkers to the movement's perspective and the passion of its members.

    Let's not forget how racist circlejerks on FB and Reddit and the chans memed Trump into office in 2016.

    Jerking about problems can't be all a movement does, of course - but an online movement that doesn't share memes, and in-jokes, and news that supports it, and similar kinds of community building, is dead on the ground.

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    [–] 30 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    So they can go in blasting and not hurt their ears. Mwap.

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    [–] 30 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    That’s a suppressor. There’s no such thing as a silencer. Suppressors are important for anyone who uses a gun and can afford them, because they help protect your ears from permanent damage.

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    [–] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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    [–] 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    He doesn't need a long gun either. Or all the extra gear. He needs a bag of zip ties and a freaking badge. That's about it.

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    They're terrorists.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    ICE are just random racists they plucked off the street last week and gave a cardboard badge they don't have to carry. It wouldn't surprise me if the hiring stipulation was BYOG.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    Eh, that's the least of the problems with ICE. Silencers should be generally available without jumping through hoops.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If I'm getting shot at by ICE, I'd rather not get permanent hearing loss at the same time personally.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Every rifle used by law enforcement ought to have a silencer. If they're gonna murder someone the absolute rock bottom very least they can do is not cause severe permanent hearing damage to a hundred other people in the vicinity.

    It's not like it's a stealth thing. It's not going to do anything to prevent detection and they don't give a shit about that anyway. This isn't a James Bond or John Wick movie so let's not pretend silenced gunshots aren't still unbelievably loud.

    A better question is how can other cops bring a rifle into a densely populated area WITHOUT a silencer?

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    [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    It's not that they need silencers, but that ICE needs to hire from the pool of people obsessed with guns to be able to continue acting as the US gestapo it is.

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    [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    The reason for having suppressors is to make it less loud when you shoot your weapon at an immigrant or protestor

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