Are they cops?

Are the ICE?

Are they cosplayers?

Source: https://redlib.northboot.xyz/r/LosAngeles/comments/1lfe5gb/ice_brandishing_silencers/

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] 157 points 1 year ago (51 children)

Silencers aren't actually silent, they're still quite loud, it's nothing like in shows and movies

In real world usage, they're really only useful for reducing the decibels a bit for hearing protection reasons

Suppressor is a more apt term for them

  • source
  • hideshow 51 child comments
  • [–] 89 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Of all the disgusting shit ICE/the Gestapo is doing, honestly using a suppressor is of least concern to me

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • [+] 70 points 1 year ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    you don’t need to strike through “kidnapping” - it is exactly what it is, even if done by ice, as they do it without due process.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    they're really only useful for reducing the decibels a bit for hearing protection reasons

    Given that a couple decibel is a big range that can mean the difference between permanent damage and no damage at all, I'd call that pretty damn useful!

    But yeah, you're otherwise absolutely right, of course 😁

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Subsonic ammunition is definitely quiet

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 8 child comments
  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I don't think I've ever met a single person using subsonic 556. Subsonic 22LR? Every day. But not 556. 223? Only when hunting deer. Not for social work.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The ammunition is, but the mechanical parts of the gun are still fairly loud.

    You can get the sound down to maybe 100 dBA. That's much quieter than the 160ish that you get without a suppressor. But, that's still loud. Things that are around 100 dBA include blenders, electric drills, motorcycles, etc. It's only a very brief sound, but it's loud for that moment. The Guinness record for loudest finger snap is 108 dBA. So, the quietest gun will be much louder than the average finger snap.

    That means those movie scenes where people are having a shootout with silencers in a library and nobody notices, or even in a crowded train station. That's not realistic. People might not recognize the sound as a gun, but they'd definitely be looking around for the source of that snapping sound. It also means the scenes where someone is sneaking through a house at night killing people without being noticed are not realistic either. If you're asleep, a loud finger snap might not wake you up, but if you're awake you're definitely going to notice it.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    That means those movie scenes where people are having a shootout with silencers in a library and nobody notices, or even in a crowded train station.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm under no impression that the scene from John Wick is realistic (at least not with the way current firearms technology functions).

    When speaking about subsonic ammunition, the greatest impact is mainly how far away you can hear the weapon. Guns are loud, yes — something that cuts the sound down from 5 city blocks to 1 (hyperbole, I don't know the exact numbers but I do know it considerably decreases how far the sound travels) is pretty fuckin quiet.

    And .22lr subsonic really is movie quiet, not that it matters - you're practically shooting a suped up BB at that point.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    And .22lr subsonic really is movie quiet

    "Movie quiet" would be so quiet that you can shoot the gun next to someone in a library and nobody would look up. Nothing is that quiet. Even if you were dry firing with no rounds at all, the "click" would be so loud that it would draw a lot of attention.

    A realistic movie take on a gun with subsonic ammunition and a silencer would be one where if someone was shooting, people would be looking around for the source of the clicking / snapping sound but not worried about guns because the sound is so unlike a gun that it wouldn't register to them as a gun.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I’ve shot a gun with a silencer. It’s extremely quiet.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [+] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)
  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (10 children)

    This hits different after just having watched several videos of people raving about the subharmonic excellence of Geoff Castelluci 😄

    He absolutely murders with his subharmonic sonic ammo, is what I'm getting at 😉

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 10 child comments
  • [+] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)
  • [+] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)
  • [+] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)
  • [+] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    the decibels a bit for hearing protection reasons

    I mean, I've heard that from groups trying to pass laws to get rid of the tax stamp, but in all honesty everyone I've known who has a suppressor only has one because they think they are cool.

    I mean you still have to wear hearing protection with them, especially if you're at a range where the vast majority of people aren't using a suppressor.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Right now, the market for them is distorted by the tax stamp. Only a few people bother with the paperwork and fee (even though it's been highly streamlined in recent years). That means companies producing them have to make up their costs with high prices rather than volume. It's almost a stealth tax on top of the stated tax.

    That results in only a few well off people getting them. This has little overlap with skill or appreciation for the hobby.

    Drop them from the NFA, and now everyone with a 3D printer can just run one off. Even in traditional manufacturing, you have a much larger customer base, and the company can sell on volume rather than high prices.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Right now, the market for them is distorted by the tax stamp. Only a few people bother with the paperwork and fee (even though it's been highly streamlined in recent years). That means companies producing them have to make up their costs with high prices rather than volume. It's almost a stealth tax on top of the stated tax.

    Oh I agree, I'm not saying that the system we have is great. I just don't think the majority of people are buying suppressors because of the added hearing protection.

    Personally I just don't see the point of suppressors. Maybe if I had a bunch of land or something and got to shoot by myself all the time. But me having a suppressor isn't going to help much if the guy in the lane next to me is shooting with a muzzle brake.

    The cost of subsonic ammo alone is enough that I wouldn't run a suppressor even if they were cheaper.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    If I had a suppressor on my AR-15, I'd still be using hearing protection. I really should be doubling up on ear plugs and muffs together, but I tend to have a lot of earwax buildup, and properly inserted ear plugs tend to compact that problem.

    Subsonic 5.56NATO is a joke.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • Yeah, I double up on ear pro. It's not comfortable, but I already have some hearing damage from my job.

    If I ever ran a suppressor I'd rebuild my upper receiver for .300 black out, but I can't see myself shelling out the money for the rebuild, tax stamp, suppressor.....and paying a buck a round.

  • source
  • parent
  • load more comments (10 replies)