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women ought to have a signal that they are open to being approached, like a PvP flag or something

meeting women is really easy if you're friends with women. they always have single friends who they'd be happy to introduce you to. obviously don't be friends with women just for this purpose though

It's fine by me, I just can't stand the british elitism

Holy shit dude touch grass

I love a rant as much as the next guy but this is a meme

I agree that physical intimacy can make people become closer, but I'm not always sure that's for the best. I think it's better kept as something to enjoy after a deeper bond has already formed. Anyway, I'm not asexual but I am somewhere on that spectrum, not sure where though. Also yeah... when my friends tell me about their tinder dates I can't believe how transactional and almost algorithmic their date sounds. It's such a shame that it's the norm now.

I have sufficient companionship. Plenty of true friends who know and love the real me. I've been more fortunate in this than most people could hope to be if I'm being honest. I really think that when you take sex out of the equation, most of modern dating is a feeble attempt to foster this type of relationship. People are afraid to reveal their true self and so they seek one person they feel safe enough to do so with, when you can actually have this relationship with everyone you're close to if you're brave enough.

I love being friends with women but I don't love being romantically or sexually entwined with them. And I'm not attracted to men. So why pursue it? I socialize when I have the energy for it. In the rest of my free time, I want to write code.

That's the goal, man. I would be happy to never have sex again. I always felt like it was more for her benefit than mine anyway.

Honestly, I'm good. I never really used apps but I have had a lot of girlfriends through mutual friends and such. I'm just over it. I'm tired of romance and especially tired of sexuality. I just want to program computers.

Also, did you know aluminum is the original word for the metal? The aluminium spelling was invented by British people after the fact simply because they thought it sounded better. Now they act like we're illiterate for leaving out the second "i"

Really appreciate you reading and replying. Sometimes I just gotta rant. Usually I type up a page or two in my local editor and delete it right after, just for the relief, but I decided to actually post this time.

Thank you for taking the risk of sticking out your neck and stating this in public.

In our society it seems to me that we have two parallel status quos. I'm acutely aware of how criticizing either can bring down the ire of the faction it belongs to, but you know... I'm over it. If being called names and being made out as a bad person is the risk, I'm okay with that. Saying nothing (or saying only what everyone else is saying) and watching our reality dissolve is more painful. I trust that there are enough people who will see that I'm coming from a place of compassion and positive hope for the future. Either way, we should know full well that whatever we've been trying isn't working. We need a new discourse, really badly. The right is winning, not because hate is so attractive, but because they are offering a real sense of in-group belonging when the left is not.

Imo, both can be true and both are true. It's a vicious cycle. In a general sense, women are tired of men and men are tired of women.

It's so obvious to everyone that far-right men are driving women to the left that it's not even worth mentioning in the midst of well adjusted, moderate people. It's a fact that normal people kind of just intrinsically know. Ask literally anyone who doesn't own a MAGA hat if they think far-right men are driving women to the left and they'll probably respond with something along the lines of "uhhh yeah... no fucking duh?"

Amongst well adjusted men, accepting responsibility for their role in social issues is the status quo. Every man I know who still has color in their hair puts a conscious effort toward avoiding problematic behavior and rectifying the issues their fathers and grandfathers perpetuated. There is universal acknowledgement of the situation at hand.

You know what I almost never see? I almost never see women acknowledge that they too play a part in this awful dynamic that affects all of us. Granted, in the past 2 years I have known women who acknowledge that the problem does indeed affect society as a whole. But never do I see an acknowledgement of mutual culpability. It's still always framed as something men are doing that they could stop at any moment if they choose.

I mentioned the status quo amongst normal people. The reason the idea that women are pushing men to the right triggers such a response is because this idea is in opposition to the status quo, and this has got to change because it is definitely true. Young men are tired of the callousness toward their very real issues, tired of being made to feel like villains, and they are eager to be in the company of people who value them.

I'm firmly left wing. Not nearly tankie level but much further than the average milquetoast socdem. I really truly do not feel welcome here. I'm here because I've developed strong opinions that persist IN SPITE of how unwelcome I feel in leftism, feminism, and progressivism in general. Young men who are freshly sentient and just starting to form opinions will absolutely be swayed by the emotions they are made to feel when interacting with more opinionated people.

I know that most people will not read more than the first quarter of this message without writing me off as right wing or saying "oh boo hoo poor men nobody cares" or it will be assumed that I'm writing this to inflame. I'm not. I'm writing this because I love people so fucking much and it breaks my heart on a daily basis to see this rift growing larger and larger more and more rapidly. Every individual of every gender is at fault here. Our society is deeply sick. We need to escape our echo chambers and have some real talk. Trying to weigh who is more evil and who is more good is futile, useless, and only serves as a distraction from our healing. Please get it straight: We all fucking suck. The only thing we can do now is try to understand each other and foster real compassion. Posting snide tweets offers temporary relief but it helps nothing.

Do they have their own songs

Yes. The subgenre is called epunk or incelcore depending on who you ask. Let me be real with you for a second, and please just hear me out: It is the only genuine counterculture in decades. I could explain in much greater detail how this is true but it's not worth the effort since practically everyone has unshakeable preconceived notions which make engaging with this topic in good faith impossible. Either way, here's a short list of songs.

• Hard Christ - Cry My Eyes Out
• Hard Christ - Miscarriage
• DethTech - how it feels to be a complete loser
• NEET - Please be patient I have autism
• NEET - Defect
• crustsox - Put Myself To Sleep
• GEZEBELLE GABURGABLY - Nothing Ever Feels Right
• GEZEBELLE GABURGABLY - What's wrong with my love?
• Fried By Fluoride - Dead by 30
• Fried By Fluoride - why am i not enough?
• Negative XP - Life's an RPG and I fucked up my build
• Negative XP - Mkultra Victim
• Dumb as Rocks - Low IQ

The idea that incel culture begins and ends at hating women is beyond reductive. It's about acknowledging a sense of utter hopelessness and the feelings that come with it- despair, dejection, paranoia, hatred, etc. There is hardly any other context where raw emotions are laid so bare without it being sanitized for compatibility with the status quo. They know that it's misdirected, but the emotions are extremely real. If you pay attention, the music and the culture are a lot more self aware than you probably think. Everyone feels these things to varying degrees and more people are feeling it more intensely with each passing day. You know what I'm talking about. It's not just politics and economics. The social fabric of our reality is disintegrating. Inceldom is a culture of people who feel this disintegration to the most extreme, agonizing degree, and have found some small solice in each other.

I don't know why I typed so much. Whatever. Don't hang me.