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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I skipped Fark, but my progression is largely the same. Once in a blue moon, I still visit Slashdot. It's like checking up on an ex to see how they're doing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

for me it was just

reddit --> Lemmy

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (11 children)

The Fediverse seems like an interesting idea, but I hope it actually holds together.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Tried the official Reddit app today and boy people weren't joking when they say it sucks. I thought it'd just be the usual experience plus some ads but I was totally wrong.

The official app doesn't respect your subreddit subscriptions at all, instead force feeding you feeds of whatever their algorithm thinks will drive maximum engagement just like a shit version of Facebook. The "hot" etc functionality is completely stipped from it entirely.

Guess I'm here to stay on the fediverse now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

What absolutely sucks about this is that I had carefully curated my subscriptions on RIF in order not to exacerbate my dumb mental health issues.

Hell, I've read angry posts about people in recovery from addiction and alcohol saying how they keep seeing ads for beer or gambling and things like that.

It's horrifying!!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The algorithm really doesn't work when you are critical or sceptical over a subject. For instance crypto sceptics from r/buttcoin being shown binance ads. Yes, they do show an interest in crypto, but may be the least suceptible persons to that ad.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

people in recovery from addiction and alcohol saying how they keep seeing ads for beer or gambling

Not that this is how it works, but I imagine a diligent algorithm looking at those individuals and that content, and then thinking "mhhmm this will generate maximum revenue!!".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (9 children)

You're missing the precursors:

Email -> Newsgroups -> CGI forums / IRC -> Slashdot... :)

The new Fediverse really is kicking up IRC and newsgroup vibes for this old timer. Its very exciting.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It'll be great to see more people showing up on Lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

People are so confused and overwhelmed about the fediverse mechanics though.

Maybe there is room for a product that is an aggregator for aggregators. Like, a centralised service that scrapes and collects all Lemmy instances into one super instance.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I don't think such an aggregator is required. Interoperability is smooth enough that you don't have to think about different instances most of the time. I've only really noticed two points that would be confusing:

  • the sign up process
  • the "local"/"all" distinction

So I think what we really need to do to make this platform intuitive to people that aren't already familiar with it is:

  • Somehow streamline signing up. The process from googling Lemmy to having an account on an instance should not be confusing or intimidating.
  • Filter by "all" by default. The default should cater to the users which are less likely to figure it out themselves. If you don't understand what instances are and what "local" vs "all" means, then you are probably here for the "all" experience. If you understand and really want "local" you are probably fine having to set it yourself.
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Its actually simple. Tell them, its like Email. You have an email account at gmail, but can perfectly fine have email conversation with someone on outllook. Lemmy instance = the same as a web email interface of any email provider. Most people will get their head around that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As soon as you have to explain the fediverse to someone using analogies my experience is that most people have already given up. They just can’t be bothered to learn something new.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The one true constant for me is 4chan 😅

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I kinda grew out of it. It was funny when I was an edgy teenager but it got progressively more cringeworthy as time progressed for me, even though the content may not have changed much.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I used 4chan when I was younger but trying to go back after reddit was super depressing, I lasted about 5 minutes.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I stopped using 4chan when the probability of getting goddamn CP snuff videos in the browser cache because of a /b/ raid got beyond trivial, so like pretty fucking early on.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

4chan definitely got worse. like it was always edgy and stupid, but after 2015 every board just kind of became /pol/

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It's funny to read this article about the death of Digg again:

In reality, Digg changed their business model and pretended that they didn’t. That is something that is unacceptable with communities and won’t be forgotten. Reddit co-founder Alexis Ohanian hit the nail on the head in an open letter to (now former) Digg CEO – Kevin Rose:

“You chose to grow with venture capital and you’ve no doubt (I hope) taken some money off the table in your Series C round. I say this because this new version of digg reeks of VC meddling. It’s cobbling together features from more popular sites and departing from the core of digg, which was to “give the power back to the people.”

https://searchengineland.com/digg-v4-how-to-successfully-kill-a-community-50450>

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same fucking journey as you. Reddit was a good run for 10 years, let's see if Lemmy can work.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

What do we do if it doesn't? Just crawl back and apologize?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I don't think so. Although many will remain with Reddit, there is no incentive or loyalty for a significant % to do so. If reddit is shit, why not just use FB, Twitter or regular message boards? Already I saw many subreddits have discords already.

The question for most of those users is there a lesser evil in choosing one bad company over another? Unfortunately I just see this community content becoming fragmented as a result and no winners emerging.

I like Lemmy / kbin but I am concerned that a dev could just shutdown their server and a community, accounts are gone. Who pays the server bills, and maintenance backups etc? This seems incredibly problematic.

Beyond that they need a strong mobile app and 3P devs, a tool to read a users reddit profile and subscribe to similar channels, one click registration without selecting a server. It would be good to also have a mechanism for showing cross-platform posted content in a single view.

If honestly feels like the 90s wild west Internet days again. No alternative I have seen so far can address these concerns.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, since there's no central site to shut down, Lemmy failing would pretty much just mean that it stagnates and some of the bigger instances shut down, at which point there still would be some remnant of it left to stay on, if a smaller one. Failing that, it isn't the only reddit alternative that people have been working on, so maybe one of the others will be more successful.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Consider exploring other Fediverse platforms before heading back to Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I've been using Mastodon for some time now so the Fediverse won't lose me, the question is if my redditing can be migrated.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nah. If Lemmy/Fediverse doesn't work out, there will be others. This has all happened before..

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If the fediverse idea doesn't work out and it's yet another company the cycle is bound to continue.

A big chance is in front of us to break the cycle!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. Decentralization is the way to go and I hope Lemmy succeeds. This particular implementation may or may not work out long term, but the underlying idea is sound.

We'll get it. Might take a couple tries, but we'll get it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I had the same journey but I'm pretty sure I found Slashdot by way of boingboing which I found by way of Diesel Sweeties blog posts when I first got a DSL connection in 2002 and was looking for comics and blogs to fill up my trendy new RSS reader lol

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (11 children)

So many long forgotten relics and old friends lost to time.

bbs, usenet, irc, aol chat rooms, aim/icq/msn messenger (by the way, anyone remember Trillian?), geocities web-rings, various phpBB forums (shoutout neopages), oekaki drawing boards, livejournal, stumbleupon,

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

by the way, anyone remember Trillian?

I never used it, but I did use similar things like Kopete and Pidgin. Both of those still exist and are still maintained, by the way, albeit far less useful now that the big four instant messaging systems are gone. Of those four, only ICQ still exists, and I doubt it still uses the same protocol, seeing as the old one wasn't encrypted.

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