China is famously the only place in the world with prisons. Please don't look into US prison slave labour or border camps

If only people were so passionate about palestine before 2023.

I should head to bed instead of staying up to mock this loser. My predictions: His "Uighur friends" will turn out to be American Muslims who are like third generation immigrants, if he ever actually commits to talking about them at all, instead of just saying "I have a ~~black~~ Uighur friend, so I'm an expert on ~~racism~~ genocide." And of course he will admit at some point that despite saying he has lived in China for years, he never went to Xinjiang, and will probably accidentally reveal that he doesn't even speak Mandarin.

EDIT: A quick peek in after brushing my teeth, looks like he forgot that he mentioned he has "Uighur friends" who told him about this and is just doubling down on this podcast as his only source, I've heard of parasocial relationships with podcasters before, but this is ridiculous!

I look forward to the laughs I'll see in the morning, good luck everyone! I hope you get him to delete his account in shame!

MORNING EDIT: I made another comment with my thoughts, it got a little long. The little bit I saw last night wasn't just a taste of things to come, it was all he had. I think this guy might win the "most pathetic" award for one of these guys. They keep finding even more pathetic ways to shit their pants so they can laugh at how everyone else is complaining about the smell.

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Anytime some western dipshit jackass talks about Xinjiang, I keep being reminded of this.

The state of play so far

HB Source please

Doofus i already gave you a fully cited source.

HB No you didn't. Do you understand what a source is, give us a link

Doofus It's the comment where i said some half-remembered figures amd another where i linked to an The Economist podcast with two effectively anonymous sources (first name only)

HB that's not a source, please refer to my first comment

Repeat

I'm getting a lot of mileage out of the Xinjiang write up I have in my pocket in the last month.

@crazypeople.online

uhh I don't like the name of this instance

"You've been found guilty of crimes against VolCell-dom. Off to the 'milking' room with you!"

They're very evasive. Like Cowbee said, they need to just focus on a couple arguments in a couple comments. They should focus on the HRW article they posted for example, and go through that. Instead, they repeat an argument in one comment, post a source, and then never return to it again. It's possible they're afraid of being Sealioned, in which case, like Cowbee said they could ignore all the requests for evidence except for in one comment thread.

@[email protected] deep in the trenches! Look at those rainbows, folks!

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I don't know why your all asking for sources. He have the only source that can be trusted, comrade Yellow Snow

And I'm back. Wow. For a toddler with no object permanence, they are surprisingly eloquent, I'll give them that.

I honestly don't know what this person was thinking doing this. Like...they probably realised early on that they have nothing and are going to lose the argument, so they tried to convince themselves that they weren't "arguing" or "discussing the topic" they were "trolling" and switched from being accidentally vague, to very deliberately vague. If I had the time, I could probably comb the comments for the exact moment they decided that they were "winning" by trolling. It's so pathetic. But beyond pathetic, it is also monstrous considering what they are claiming.

This is a person trying to convince people that a genocide is happening. Right? One of the worst if not the worst atrocities human beings can commit.

And their method is to just be deliberately obtuse and refuse to actually commit to any evidence or points or even express an emotion (or claim they are "not mad, but you all are though."). Like, this is foul behaviour, and this side of these people doesn't get called out enough I think.

If they genuinely believe that a genocide is happening, their attempt to inform people and actively do something about it is sickening beyond words. Maybe it's just me, but I have tried to do everything in my (extremely limited) power to help Palestinians, if I met someone who was "smugly" insisting that there was no genocide in Gaza, I wouldn't be a "totally chill, totally not mad troll" about it, I would get really, really fucking pissed. Like, if it was real life, I would be getting violent with that person, and online, I would be providing them with every single bit of evidence I could find, I wouldn't just link to a single shitty podcast and smugly act like I've "owned" them, I would gather eyewitness testimonies, statements from the IDF about how fun doing a genocide is, the reaction of different countries in the region, everything I can to show that it is happening. Even if this person won't change their mind, they'll slink back into the disgusting sewer that is the only fitting home for a genocide denier.

But this guy isn't doing that at all, they are treating this like a game, where the goal is simply to "own" the opponent, or even just to "waste their time" (Not realising how pathetic it is to waste your own time to waste someone else's). If they honestly believe their own claims, their actions clearly state "yeah, there's a genocide, but I don't really care about it, I only care about internet brownie points and attention." What a truly reprehensible human being this person is, if we actually take their claims at face value. Of course, in reality, they know they're full of shit. They just weren't expecting pushback and just expected the reddit style "OMG so brave! Evil SEESEEPEE will be censoring this comment! Have a gold kind stranger!" reactions to it. I'm surprise their first comment didn't end with "upvotes to the left."

but.. its the Economist! Well known and very highly respected journalism! They've never been wrong, you can tell by the authority in which they say the things they say and the words they use to say them!

@crazypeople.online

You can't make this shit up

When talking about the Uighur issue always point out that the US government has spent tens of millions of dollars to radicalize them to terrorist acts. There was a time 2 decades ago where you'd read stories about how some school children died in mass stabbings in "western China" and that is now a thing of the past. At some point China had a moral obligation to take some kind of action to stop these things and they did. Did they set up an investigative branch of their law enforcement to entrap thousands of them in fake plots to "catch" them red handed and then put them away in hardcore prisons for life or deport them to black torture sites around the world like the USA did? No, instead they targeted individuals with a high likelihood for developing extremist beliefs and got them into programs to de-escalate their actions before they got out of hand. Is it perfect? No. In my book China's method is much more preferable to the west's racist torment of Muslims.