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Who guards the guards? (sh.itjust.works)
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[-] [email protected] 72 points 1 week ago

It really depends on the area and execution. Though this has been abused heavily by money-hungry police departments, if they solely set their sights on stopping the pieces of shit who weave wildly between cars while going 40+ kph faster than the flow of traffic, which is going 30+ kph faster than the speed limit, I’d welcome the stealthy police presence.

I’d like to go a week without nearly being run off the road by some fucker with a death wish, but the police have decided their priorities.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

We should tell the people who write tickets to go and enforce safe roads instead.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

We still need both. Even the safest design of a road could still let someone drive recklessly and dangerously.

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[-] [email protected] 58 points 1 week ago

Yeah, that hiding in the bushes bullshit is some wil-e-coyote nonsense.

[-] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago

There's a spot by me that has a tiny dirt path leading into a small crop of bushes and trees that the fuckers cut a portion out of so it will cover everything but their window lol it's absurd...

[-] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

Reminds of the kind of place I'd probably spread a bunch of nails... wouldn't want people to be without building supplies near those bushes.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

And as soon as you found out about it you littered the area with nails and broken glass, right? ...right?

[-] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

How could he? The police were already there!

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[-] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago

My “favorite” are those ghost cars where you only see the police markings if light hits it the right way. “Protect and serve” my ass.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

Honestly I'll take that over unmarked anyway. It can be impossible to tell an unmarked police car from any random government fleet vehicle

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[-] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago

Let's be honest, police trying to catch speeding cars or compulsive phone users with unmarked or hidden cruisers is not the reason why people don't trust the US police.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I can only speak for myself, but I absolutely add any form of hidden speed traps to the list. Cops know they can perform "traffic calming" by parking a marked cruiser in an easily seen location, be it on a highway or a city street. People see the car and slow down. This works anywhere it's clear they can join traffic and pull you over. The officer effortlessly achieves a local bump in traffic safety just by sitting there, and cops don't need to do risky traffic stops unless someone is really not paying attention. So that's gotta be the preferred method, right?

Meanwhile, hidden traps and unmarked cars have only one purpose: generate ticket revenue. The only mass "calming" that happens is kinda/sorta in the area where a cop has someone pulled over - and that's after the car is clearly visible.

Edit: We can also solve speeding and reckless behavior by engineering calming measures into the road itself. The freaking DOT wrote a manual for it. IMO, it's hard to view speed traps as anything more than a band-aid fix with this in mind.

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[-] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Once on vacation with my wife, we were on a highway and saw a woman painting her fingernails while driving. She was doing this for a few mins and we heard a police motorcycle coming up from behind and we thought “Oh nice, go get her”… but they pulled us over instead! Apparently where the highway ends it goes from like 75mph to 30mph. Turns out cops hide in the area to catch people. It was a hefty ticket too since we were technically going “40mph” over (like everyone else). During the rest of our stay we noticed motorcycle cops everywhere! They were just camped out all over with radar guns in pairs trying to catch people. We ended up hiring a local lawyer to appear in court (since we had to appear in court for the ticket as well), since we obviously weren’t from the area. It was dismissed and we paid less for the lawyer than it would have been to pay the ticket plus insurance would have gone up each month.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Same except I paid the ticket because idk how lawyers work

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[-] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago

Toronto police tried to pull this crap with the cars. They got so much heat they had to cancel and repaint the cars back. Rightfully the argument is that police are supposed to be highly visible. If someone needs help, how is camouflaging the response vehicle productive?

[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

Trick question, they're not actually there to help

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

They're not there to help us.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

We can frustrate them by making them pretend they are at the very least.

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[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Visibility is like their biggest deterrent lol

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[-] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago

I am of the firm stance that ghost police cars should never exist. If you need to be undercover to do a thing, then have a plain car.

But ghost cars are literally there to hide for "normal" everyday enforcement. And that type of police work should not involve hiding.

[-] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago

Every time I see police markings on American cars, they look to me like the cops are trying to be cool and hip with their sick fonts. But to me it just screams unprofessional.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago

They didn't used to look like this. The shift happened sometime in the late '90s - early aughts. The fonts and designs until then were gradually modernized but it was similar to corporate letterhead. They also shifted from baby blue shirts to all black around the same time.

The image went from stressful/powerful bureaucrat in a funny uniform to GI Joe action figure.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

The shift happened in direct response to the ruling of Harlow V Fitzgerald in 1982. That case fucked up a lot of things, because SCOTUS was, unknown to them, handed an illegally amended version of the law in question that was relevant to the case. The law is § 1983 of the federal code. When an unnamed secretary was tasked with copying the Congressional Record of 1871 into the Federal Register in 1874, said unnamed secretary illegally removed a 16 word clause that completely reversed the intent of the law.

http://web.archive.org/web/20230520080201/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/15/us/politics/qualified-immunity-supreme-court.html

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

I mean, I guess you can make the case that it was that one particular thing.

This is a major cultural shift away from peace officer to Judge Dredd. It's more than just the one, admittedly terrible, court ruling. You can just as easily make the argument that right wing talk radio of the time was the major driver of the change.

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[-] Quibblekrust 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is dumb, police have been hiding behind roadside billboards to catch speeders since the advent of the car. It's nothing new.

I for one am glad for speed enforcement, I fucking hate people who race on highways or city streets, dodging between cars with half a car-length to spare in front and back. Before texting, speeding caused the majority of highway fatalities.

I don't know who I hate more, cops or fucking asshole drivers.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm with you on this one. I don't support the corrupt/abusive actions of many police, but people who bitch and moan about being targeted for speeding and/or driving like assholes fucking deserve it. Now sure, getting popped for going just slightly over is garbage, but those aren't the drivers or the incidents I'm talking about. There's a weird sentiment among a lot of drivers that traffic laws are just arbritray and optional. I will always cheer for police who catch the worst of them, and I wish it happened more often.

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[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Hate bad designers. US has some egregious road design.

Don't make stroads. Either make streets with traffic calming or roads. This will reduce most of the need for speed checks.

And instead of hiding, just put that car in plain view. People will slow down automatically. You can even cheap our and out a cardboard car to fake a police car, studies have show this works😂

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

hiding and being visible are very different philosophies on speed enforcement:

hidden cars and cameras are intended to slow people down in general; marked cars and cameras are intended to slow people down in specific areas

neither are particularly right or wrong imo, and in fact where i live in australia both are used regularly

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[-] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

I can see different degrees of this. I agree that I'd rather have a visible presence in traffic monitoring that helps remind people they are being watched for adherence to the rules of the road, and give people who are pushing the limits an opportunity to fix it rather than catch them. So speed traps for money quotas or a door to gain access to vehicles to find or "create" issues (usually based on profiling) is the problem here. As well as abuse of the power to be able to speed and ignore the same rules when an emergency isn't pending, or escalating a traffic stop beyond what it was originally for again because of the power trip.

My response to the typical complaining about speed traps isn't usually first to focus on the police, but to ask, "well, were you speeding or driving recklessly?" When someone gets mad from that question, then the problem may not be (just) the police.

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[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

me just assuming every V8 Charger less than five years old, white, red or black and clean is a cop by default

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[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago
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[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Camouflage is one of the five physical traits of a predator, the others more or less apply with enough hand waving

its the five behavior traits all apply very obviously. Stealth, strategy (attack together), territorial (protect their jurisdiction), patience (speed traps), adaptability

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Why do we have pictures of a cop when there are so many of plain clothed, mask wearing, and unidentifiable ICE guys?

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