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Looks like everything is in and it ended up with Liberals 169 seats, three short of a majority.
Although jeez, I can't imagine there isn't a recount in the riding where the difference was literally 12 votes out of 21,000. Crazy close.
Either way, I'm guessing the 7 NDP and 1 Green basically become de facto Liberals to create a pseudo majority since at least that way they'll have some influence and it wouldn't be in their best interest to topple the government and go through all this again.
Either way, I’m guessing the 7 NDP and 1 Green basically become de facto Liberals to create a pseudo majority since at least that way they’ll have some influence and it wouldn’t be in their best interest to topple the government and go through all this again.
Liberals will have massive leverage over the NDP and the Greens. Neither of them want an election immediately. The NDP need to get their house in order and the Greens have to figure out going forward.
Singh just stepped down and hopefully the change will mean more potential for the NDP in the next election.
I'm Indigenous Canadian and I fully wish that we could have a country and a political environment where we could support and stand by a visible minority to represent a major political party. But I have to temper that with the knowledge that our country is not fully ready for that kind of person. As much as we would like to believe that we could become a more progressive, open and accepting culture, we are still not there and it will be a few more decades or lifetimes before that can become a reality.
It would be more possible if we actually had an election system that was more representative of our people's wishes .... Proportional Representation would make it more possible to have major political leaders and politicians who represented visible minorities.
Implying that the NDP wasn’t elected due to their leader being a visible minority is either disingenuous or very misinformed. There are of course bigots in Canada, but most Canadians aren’t bigots.
As a visible minority ... I'm Indigenous Canadian ... most of Canada is still bigoted. It's not as bad as it was 50 years ago or even 20 years ago but it is still very bigoted and racist towards any visible minorities. The difference in our modern world is that the discrimination is more subtle, hidden and discrete ... it's an attitude that is literally baked in the system and fabric of society. I don't get treated negatively or with racism in my life but from time to time, those attitudes do appear and I am always aware of them.
I'm in northern Ontario and as much as there are a lot of NDP lovers up here, the majority of them still hold Native people in contempt and with negative attitudes .... we're always seen as either incapable of helping ourselves and worthless, while also being seen as people living with free-for-all social welfare. People want to be us but also despise or ridicule actual full blooded Native people living on their lands. They simultaneously see us as powerless while at the same time having too much control or influence over resource development. We either have no money or not allowed to make money for ourselves. Government still has a very hard time balancing between managing our complaints and allowing us enough control to not disturb their corporate friends .... which when you think about it has always been the role of government in Native affairs.
The cities might not show their bigots and intolerance so easily .... but in the rural, northern and remote areas, it still very much the same as it was decades ago.
I'm in Southern Ontario and I'm definitely not a minority.
I see the racist rhetoric regularly. People see me, a straight white male, and more than a few times, mistake me for a like-minded individual, and they let their racism spew out like bile.
Makes me sick.
It also makes me sick to think that Canadians could be so cruel to the indigenous peoples. I don't think any amount of time, reparations, or anything else, could make up for what occurred.
We're Canadians, if you're not indigenous, then you're either an immigrant, or the descendant of an immigrant. We're all here, equal in the eyes of the law (not law enforcement/police, the letter of the law), and there's no good excuse to act otherwise. United we stand, divided we fall. One country in particular, wants us to be divided. Don't let them win.
Vive le Canada!
Right there with you man, it's hard to imagine that any regular looking white dude in Canada could claim in good faith that they've never been in a conversation where they witnessed a bunch of similar looking dudes go hardcore mask-off because they thought the coast was clear.
I think most of these attitudes stem from group mentality .... and the powers that be love to spread hate and fear because its so easy to sell and manipulate people with.
When I meet most people ... any people of any race, colour or creed .. people are very decent human beings. I've even travelled to Asia, Europe, Caribbean and parts of northern Africa and in every instance, all I met were good decent human beings.
But get them in any group and poison that group with hatred of any kind and the whole mass just moves like an angry mob. It takes courage for any one person in a group to call everyone else out and its far easier for everyone else to just fall into line. I'm even guilty of this as well ... Indigenous people can fall into those hateful racist attitudes as easily as any other person.
But when I hear comments like yours ... it gives me hope that the world can change and is on its way to changing to better attitudes and perspectives. Stay well my friend.
I will say, from my own limited experience, instances of racist/bigoted comments have diminished over time.
I'll be clear, it still happens. But it's less than it was.
I'm continually hopeful that racism will be eliminated in future generations, and it is my wish that it happens soon.
I'll also be clear: I don't keep company with that kind of person. Anyone who can judge another based on their country of origin, the color of their skin, or their creed/motto/whatever alone, isn't worth my time, nor effort to associate with, know, or have any kind of relationship with at all, for any reason, for any length of time. Those people are not worth my time nor mental effort to accommodate. They're not even worth the oxygen they consume.
Meh, I wouldn't brush aside this so easily. You don't have to be a full blown bigot to be affected by bias. Most people have unconscious bias that tilt their opinion one way or another. A white woman would face extra barriers... so you can safely bet a guy from the ethnicity that has some people literally saying that we have "allowed in too much of" will face a hasher hill to climb. Though I also agree that this isn't the main reason the NDP didn't go well, it's probably a minor contributing factor.
How many times have I heard a phrase containing "these brown people" out loud in the last year? Not many. But not zero. And if I could also hear peoples subconscious thoughts, it would probably have been way more than we'd like to admit.
I always liked Singh as a person, but I feel like NDP needs some change. They are a party focused on throwing shade on other parties. They need their own identity.
Wab Kinew seems to be doing well. But I don't know if MB would give him up.
Interesting takes on CBC, but reality is that Polievre is shit. He lost this election because he is terrible, stupid, lazy and inept. He wasn’t ready for an election, he didn’t do his homework, he ran scared of the media, he is stupid (demonstrated by his understanding of electricity and bread). That he believed he could treat Canadians with such disdain and disrespect. He deserves the rest of his life as an insult stuck to the sole of my shoe.
he ran scared of the media
He grew up at the knee of Harper. He's only doing what he was taught.
Well, I did it. I feel dirty, but I voted liberal. Not that it matters here. First time ever voting liberal, but the cons platform is just so damn terrible. And my usual ndp vote for the past couple times doesn't even have a hope.
I said I'd never vote Liberal again and stay NDP hard liner after vote reform was kaboshed. No matter anyone's opinion on that, it was why I voted Justin once.
But here we are.
I held my nose and did it too. I am the leftiest lefty that ever lefted but the NDP was not really an option this time.
"We denied a Liberal NDP coalition."
NDP immediately gains a seat, allowing coalition.
It's not even a coalition.
Coallitons are when the party with the most seats (but not a majority) doesn't form government because the other parties all work together to form government.
When the party with the most seats (but not majority) forms government with the help of another party on non confidence votes , it's just a minority government.
They just try to scare people with the coalition talk to try and make it seem nefarious, such as when it almost happened to Harper, but it's a legitimate part of how our government works.
There was a point while votes were being counted tonight, we could have theoretically had a con+bq coalition government.
Edit: and even as of right now, the cons+bq+ndp could form a coalition, but I can't imagine those 3 parties ever working together other than to trigger an election via vote of no confidence.
Well, sure.
But the point was the timing of the statement. After he said that they prevented a Liberal NDP coalition, the NDP, seconds later, gained a seat, allowing a Liberal NDP coalition of 172 seats, if they chose to do so.
If they did a coalition now they would have 175.
I get that, and it was hilarious, but there was never going to be a coalition government which was my main point. He was using the wrong language intentionally. Essentially he didn't even almost prevent it because it was never going to happen.
Not quite true. Coalitions are typically starting with the party with the largest vote count to invite others into coalition talks. If they find willing partners that make up a majority and there are enough commonalities between all the coalition partners they enter into a contract. And each party in the coalition participate in the government with ministers and everything.
That was awesome.
Lmao PP’s on his way to lose his own riding
Imagine if he came in 91st. It'd be a heritage moment up there with balcony guy
After this is all done, we need to rebuild the left in this country. We need the NDP to be putting forth bold policy proposals to neutralize the far right populist appeal of the fucking conservative ghouls.
I’m more centrist but I also want a strong left.
I want good working class Canadians to rally back to a strong NDP and unions and see their influence grow, and I want that to start pushing our policies back towards effective social policy.
It does need to be a balance, but I don’t see how for example small businesses not having to provide health insurance to compete is bad for businesses. It’s a burden off of them and good for employees.
Private healthcare mostly helps the big entrenched companies, and that’s bad for an economy.
