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Seize the Means of Production (static.existentialcomics.com)
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[-] GraniteM@lemmy.world 47 points 11 months ago

Of what use, then, are the American Communists?

They serve one function extremely useful to you and to the country, so useful that, if there were no Communists, we would almost be forced to create some. They are a reliable litmus paper for detecting real sources of danger to the Republic.

Communism is so repugnant to almost all Americans, when they are getting along even tolerably well, that one may predict with certainty that any social field or group in which the Communists make real strides in gaining members or acceptance of their doctrines, any such spot is in such bad shape from real and not imaginary social ills that the rest of us should take emergency, drastic action to investigate and correct the trouble.

Unfortunately we are more prone to ignore the sick spot thus disclosed and content ourselves with calling out more cops.

—Robert A. Heinlein, Take Back Your Government

[-] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 32 points 11 months ago

Well. He's not wrong. Admittedly, many people in the US are opposed to socialist policies largely because of propagandizing by corporate interests, but when they get really popular anyways, that's def. a sure sign that everything is going to shit.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 10 points 11 months ago

I might start throwing Heinlein in the same bucket as GK Chesterton. Wrong a lot, but wrong in interesting ways, and so close to getting it.

[-] GraniteM@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

That whole book is a wild read. It's about how and why to be involved in politics. Some of it is kind of a 1940s manual on how to operate a campaign, but a lot of it is talking about why it's important to be engaged and pay attention, and also stuff like this:

If you believe that laws forbidding gambling, sale of liquor, sale of contraceptives, requiring definite closing hours, enforcing the Sabbath, or any such, are necessary to the welfare of your community, that is your right and I do not ask you to surrender your beliefs or give up your efforts to put over such laws. But remember that such laws are, at most, a preliminary step in doing away with the evils they indict. Moral evils can never be solved by anything as easy as passing laws alone. If you aid in passing such laws without bothering to follow through by digging in to the involved questions of sociology, economics, and psychology which underlie the causes of the evils you are gunning for, you will not only fail to correct the evils you sought to prohibit but will create a dozen new evils as well.

Heinlein has plenty of issues, but I feel like a lot of people overlook his positives.

[-] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

I feel like a lot of people forget just how wildly different the time Heinlein was raised in was. He may have been wrong-headed in our current view about a fair amount of things--particular his work prior to the mid-60s or so--but that's a cultural issue, rather than someone that was pig-headedly stupid. The quote you have--"[...] forbidding gambling, sale of liquor, sale of contraceptives, requiring definite closing hours, enforcing the Sabbath [...]--is especially ironic because AFAIK Heinlein appears to have had open/polyamorous marriages (...or multiamorous/polyerotic, if you're a linguistic pedant); that sort of inclination should be quite antithetical to laws enforcing religious doctrine or sexual morality.

[-] StartWin@reddthat.com 6 points 11 months ago

I don't know that there's any irony there. In my reading, the passage is actually advocating against such laws. And is aimed at the kind of thinking that leads to such laws.

I don't think he is condoning or advocating for such thinking in that passage - more saying that, if you do want these kind of laws (while he lists some contemporary examples) you have to realise that it won't actually work and will have other, negative consequences. That's not him necessarily condoning the thinking or actual moral standing of those examples. Just pointing out what he sees are the realities of such laws.

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[-] pixelmeow@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Heinlein wrote a lot of characters in his novels who were there to make you think, right or wrong or otherwise. I'm not so sure he himself was wrong, but he wasn't trying to be right. He just wanted us to think.

[-] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago

An example of this was the communist were heavily involved in organizing share croppers in the Jim crow south. This caused a lot of red baiting during the civil rights movement, with MLK often being labeled a communist ( he was definitely more left then he is often portrayed, radical by today's standards, but not a commie).

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 31 points 11 months ago

I am pretty sure that this honest leftist self-criticism thing is against online decency rules and I demand to see the manager.

[-] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

"Source, "Wikipedia": A power vacuum is a very powerful vacuum."

Edit: fuck I didn't mean to make this comment

[-] NoSpotOfGround@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

Ok, so Two-Tone-Beard-Man is Marx, Slightly-Darker-Beard-Man is Engels, but who are Long-Beard-Man and Auntie-Glasses-Lady? I ask because Long-Beard-Man appears to be the winner of the heated exchange at the end...

[-] dunz@feddit.nu 21 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Mikhail Bakunin and Emma Goldman, both are anarchists. It's below the comic on the source :)

[-] lugal@sopuli.xyz 3 points 11 months ago

Why didn't they take Kropotkin instead of Bakunin? He aged much better

[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Kropotkin was on a different bakery related mission

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[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 14 points 11 months ago

If the people are the true means of production, then wouldn't seizing the means of production mean slavery? 🤔

[-] superkret@feddit.org 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's not slavery, the workers seize control over themselves.

[-] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 2 points 11 months ago

Looking at soviet Russia and maoist China, no they don't.

[-] jonathan@lemmy.zip 12 points 11 months ago

Hence the final panel.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Yeah but they were authotarian dictatorships, as communist ad DPRK is democratic or the NAZIs were socialist.

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[-] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 19 points 11 months ago

"Means of production" means factories, fields and mines and shit. Bear in mind that was before digitalization, so now the meaning would be more broad.

[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Yeah. Today the means of production is your laptop!

[-] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 2 points 11 months ago

Or even some proprietary SaaS shit that's irreplaceable for your work

[-] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

People's Front of Judea vs the Judean People's Front

[-] hausthatforrem@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago
[-] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

" ALEXA, define power vacuum."

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