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Earlier on Thursday, Rolling Stone published allegations from two current and 14 former employees, including production crew and writers, who requested anonymity out of fear of retaliation. Rolling Stone claimed they had approached an additional 80 current and former employees, but “not a single one agreed to speak on the record or had positive things to say about working on the Tonight Show”.

According to Rolling Stone’s report, multiple sources alleged Fallon had a history of “outbursts” and lashing out at staff when under pressure; that previous senior staff on the show had bullied and belittled them; and that guests’ dressing rooms were commonly known as “cry rooms”, where employees could go let out their stress.

Nine showrunners have worked on the Tonight Show since Fallon took over from Jay Leno in 2014; a much faster turnover than comparable late night shows like Late Night with Seth Meyers and The Late Show With Stephen Colbert.

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[–] [email protected] 129 points 1 year ago (23 children)

They should have given it to Conan when they had the chance but they keep insisting on giving it to soulless narcissists like Leno and Fallon.

[–] [email protected] 112 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This, Conan has always been infinitely funnier, and he still has employees that followed him from the Late Night show that seem to love working with him

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

so much love for Conan. I've only seen a few clips, I'll have to seek him out a bit.

ok I just watched this and he's actually great: https://youtu.be/FIHxrzOQtm0

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They did give it to Conan, then they gave it back to Jay. Like everything else wrong in my life, I blame the boomers.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Oooh yes, they did Conan sooo dirty during that clusterfuck.

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[–] [email protected] 90 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Whether this is a "hit piece" or not, I have never found Fallon funny in the slightest bit and absolutely hate the entire late night talk show format. It's just sucking up to celebrities for 2 goddamn hours. Utterly fake conversations with fake people trying to plug their latest projects. Every thing about it annoys the fuck out of me.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm the same, except when Conan does it. But also Conan could read out my tax returns and it'd be hilarious.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Conan has his moments, but I much rather see him write/act in skits about current events than sucking up to celebrities. Peak Conan was when he was still fresh from being a writer for The Simpsons, and I seem to find him less and less funny as the years go on.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'd recommend giving his travel show "Conan Obrien Must Go" a shot. More just Conan being Conan and it's great.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

I've been really liking his podcast. He still has celebrities on, but the idea is that it's more people he wants to talk to rather than people promoting stuff, or people he had on his show who he never got to have a proper conversation with and he'll sit with them to a proper in-depth talk for like an hour or so. And sometimes they'll do an episode where just a random member of the public calls in and he interviews them instead. Also one of his co-hosts is his assistant who does not respect his position as her boss at all, so that's a good dynamic.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Conan has admitted that he can't turn it off.

If you see him at a restaurant, he will accidentally ignore his family to to entertain you. He mentions his wife hates it.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

I sat next to him and his wife at a restaurant about 6 years ago. Now I'm personally offended he didn't ignore her to try to entertain me.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

I feel like you could ask Conan to be funny after you read 2 lines from anything and he'd knock it out. Recipe. Taxes. Obituary. Jimmy Fallon's set. Anything normally not funny at all

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Give Craig Ferguson his time slot.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

I'd start watching non-streaming TV again if Ferguson came back.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

I think he's said he never wanted the earlier time slot because the network would be too involved with the show.

"Tonight Show with Craig Ferguson" would just be like what Tonight Show has been for many decades with just the few flourishes here and there that the network would allow Ferguson to do.

With the 12:30 slot he could do whatever he wanted, the network didn't care. Which is what made his show the best talk show of all time.

[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I’ve always gotten strong Ellen vibes from Fallon.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I never understood how this unfunny douchebag got famous. Are people really fans of him or was having him TWO shows purely a studio decision? He was never funny on SNL.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought maybe it was just me, maybe I wasn't seeing something in 'slow jam the news' that was hilariously funny. But then he sucked up to Trump during the campaign in 2016 and I didn't give a fuck any more. Fuck him.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Jimmy Fallon is all that awkwardness of Nathan Fielder minus the intent or semblence of humor. He is the most boring, lame host I have ever seen on a show like this and I find him painful to watch.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hence his prime spot. That’s why he’s famous. He’s milquetoast, he’s lowest common denominator, he’s white bread, he’s Big Bang Theory, hes Two and a Half Men, he’s a laugh track, he’s Jay Leno.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I haven't asked everyone I know or anything but I've yet to meet someone who I know likes Jimmy Fallon.

I think he's way, way, WAYYY worse than Leno, though. At least he leads a somewhat interesting life (albeit not interesting to me). Like I would be surprised to hear that Jimmy Fallon has any hobbies.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

Totally. I said the same thing when someone posted a thread about his behavior yesterday. I got a real asshole sense from him.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago

"I'm sorry (this got out)."

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Guy is fake af, never understood the appeal of him or his show.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

Absolutely.. And his obnoxious fake laughs are straight up nauseating...

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I feel vindicated for strongly disliking him since SNL. Deuche bag ruined every single skit he was in. Absolute amateur laughing in every skit. Every time.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I'm to the point where I just assume if you're a celebrity you're probably a piece of shit.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

Fallon is one of the least funny people on the planet. I am not joking. His shit keeps getting brought up on my YouTube feed and it is just utter crap.

The only time I had to laugh at something he was involved in, was when he made a crossover with John Oliver. Fallon obviously tried to advertise for Amazons Alexa, when Oliver suddenly asked Alexa about the working conditions in Amazon Warehouses. Fallon immediately shit himself.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Jimmy Fallon is a robot designed to laugh at people's jokes no matter how unfunny they are.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is hilarious if you’ve ever worked in Hollywood: An NBC spokesperson told the magazine: “As in any workplace, we have had employees raise issues; those have been investigated and action has been taken where appropriate. As is always the case, we encourage employees who feel they have experienced or observed behaviour inconsistent with our policies to report their concerns so that we may address them accordingly.”

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

report their concerns so that we may address them accordingly

Which means they will fire that person and make sure they never work in the industry again. That sounds like a cliche you hear in movies, but if you know people who work in Hollywood you know that it's a real thing.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

And we always tell them, you can be honest. Don't worry, we won't "retaliate"

But why the quotes?

Oh, just for emphasis that we absolutely will "not retaliate or fire you immediately and spread rumors about you"

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not trying to defend Jimmy Fallon, but is there a way to do a nightly television show for years on end that's healthy?

The constant demand to be fresh, funny, topical, appeal to advertisers, network execs and audience members. It's fucking insane how anyone can do it at all.

I'd imagine it takes it's toll on even the most level headed good people.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago

Most of the story might be construed as nothing but the show runner turn over raised red flags for me. Conan had the same show runner, Jeff Ross, for decades. Fallon can't keep a show runner for a year! On the Tonight Show! One of the most coveted show runner positions still left in Television. The fact that the most powerful people aside from fallon keep quietly leaving the show means to me that there is something rotten that they are all fleeing and keeping quite to protect their careers.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not surprised, never could stand that guy.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't hate him. Don't like him. I never found him as funny as Jimmy Fallon did either

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s suspicious that this has gone on for years, but the story is only being published now. Seems to have been common knowledge in Hollywood. Is it contract negotiation time? Did Fallon finally piss of the wrong person? Does NBC have someone already in mind to replace him?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

He cancelled a Norm MacDonald appearance on his show for saying that he put Rosanne Barr and Louie C.K. in touch because of their shared experience. Like, a therapy thing. Jimmy claimed that a female his staff cried and locked herself in an office b/c of that. At least we know what room it was and what they were really crying about.

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