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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Fidel Castro launched his campaign with an army of approximately 82 men, including his brother Raúl

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Although heavily outnumbered the guerillas had a novel technology which aided them in the protracted conflict: Big bushy beards

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

The revolution would've been stopped in its tracks if Batista had airdropped razors in the Sierra Maestra

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

the viet Cong began as 6 people and a revolver

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago (2 children)

There's a very famous event from medieval France called the Combat of the Thirty where 60 dudes showed up to settle a dispute (30 on each side) and beat the shit out of each other.

A real "get da crew together, we're gonna have a rumble" moment for the books

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

I can't remember. I know more dudes died on one side but I can't remember if the side with fewer casualties accomplished their aims.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

This made me think of hooligans and how I think it should be legal. I know of a few guys related to that mileu and they just want to beat the shit out of each other.
I think all the issues with that culture could be solved by legalisation.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago (5 children)

also romans likely were lying

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

TBH, late Roman Empire suffered an intense depopulation due to collapsing birth rates.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

but horses can't live like this. aside from likely 2-3x exaggeration of infantry, they are at least plausible in that roman had that many people around.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You are right about the horses, I don't think the Romans had that much horse, because even for agriculture they used oxen.

That being said, look up iraj castle, that's the ruins of a late antiquity military installation meant to house 10k cavalry. There seem to be many smaller structures of similar design all over central asia.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

As well as global cooling and a black plague. It was not fun times

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

Bubonic plague killed a lot of people in Europe during the Middle Ages, coupled with individual monarchs not being very powerful in comparison to the Roman Empire. Wars in the Middle Ages were often fought by fifes who levied their peasant populations. The ancient world (not just Rome, but also places like Carthage) had large standing armies and slave populations.

Like Marcus Crassus was just some guy who had so much money he privately funded multiple wars. His wealth was unrivaled until you start getting closer to the Renaissance and the Medicis.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

Not necessarily, the state capacity was larger, population density was higher, the empire was larger geographically. (https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics/seminars/seminars/conferences/venice3/programme/ancient-modern-economies01.pdf)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

they would also field troops from their conquered/allied satellite states; that was how they kept the peace. You can keep your rules and status quo, but you must muster soldiers when we go to war.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

Godfrey was the ride or die for the King.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But no, there was no collapse of state capacity or a massive population crash, it was just evolution and continuity doubt

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Theres significant debate that the transition from late antiquity to the early middle ages (aka "Dark Ages") was just evolutionary and technology and state capacity remained the same, but just changed hands.

I personally don't agree with that theory. There was definitely massive deurbanization (population crash) and loss of state capacity (the Romans had fucking factories producing weapons and armor, etc)

There's a reason the East Roman Empire was wiping out 10,000 man armies with like less then 500 guys. They still retained tight organization and those production facilities. Every soldier, decked in armor and with excellent weapons.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

fabricae were a unified logistical system connected to ancillary state organs, new states in western roman territory got their hands on maybe one node, it wasn't very useful cut off from the other nodes. the notitia dignitatum even implies they were each specialized in one bit of kit. So even with the desire or determination to utilize such infrastructure, it wouldn't bear much fruit, it'd be like seizing an ammunition factory when you don't have a rifle factory or a train to deliver raw materials to make ammunition.

fabricae in the east, which we have no idea of the fate of, probably were more reorganized/privatized than lost altogether (i mean besides the ones they literally lost to the caliphate), particularly the Constantinople factory ordered by Justinian seems irresistibly related to the later armies/regiments permanently stationed and outfitted there, however the name and particulars might have evolved.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Thats why you can trace Roman economy/war-machine in the 2k year old ice, even a bit higher CO2 levels, but not the medieval walks & kerfuffles at later dates.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Meanwhile ancient China is like we sent 3 million soldiers.