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'Damning' New Poll Shows Price Kamala Harris Paid for Backing Israeli Genocide in Gaza (www.commondreams.org)

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago

This is the same poll as was taken down last time. And the takeaways aren't being objectively discussed by Common Dreams or IMEU.

The swing states set Economy first, Gaza second. Gaza leads only if you include every state. And There's no real discussion of the negative side. How many voters would she lose in swing states for breaking with Biden's message? Particularly Pennsylvania, their must win state, which had the lowest support for Gaza.

I think we can realistically say Gaza is a big issue for Democrats but we already knew that from previous polling. I think we can also realistically say that the combination of her Gaza policy, Economic policy, and support for the most extreme immigration legislation in my lifetime, all contributed to her loss.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

What makes me sad is that everyone is focused on gaming the election. The question shouldn't be about what position on Gaza might have gotten Harris more votes. It should be about what Harris believed was the right policy. Not that I think that actually had much to do with it either.

We need to elect people who make decisions based on ethics and not on polls.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

Warning: the poll behind this article has false data because of biased question wording and order. See here for examples: https://lemmy.world/comment/14503824

[–] [email protected] -4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Idiots. They contributed to Trump getting elected, who will be a thousand times worse for Gaza than Harris would have been. These are dumb voters. Fuck them.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

Sweet, I can't wait for our first election to not be influenced by dumb voters. When's that going to happen? I guess we should just keep losing until then.

[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 week ago (31 children)

And now America is paying the price for a bunch of people who thought that they would somehow stop genocide abroad by enabling the man who wants genocide domestically.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, I don't know how to read this except "voters a fucking morons, obviously."

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Now now, he ALSO wants genocide abroad.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You won't have a hard time arguing that Donald Trump is a massive piece of garbage, but your comment presumes that Kamala Harris and the Democratic party are entitled to votes.
You'll find there is a large portion of the Democratic base who are not motivated to vote for a pro-genocide candidate, which is exactly the entire point of this poll. The Democratic party needs to do better and stop fighting against the progressive wing of the party if they ever want to regain the trust of working class people. At a bare minimum you would expect them to respect international law. Then again, they're doing exactly what AIPAC and defense industry paid them to do, same as the Republicans.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

Not only was she pro-genocide, but also an anti-immigration, pro-corporate, pro-police, and "maintain the status quo" candidate. I don't know a single measure that one could use to make her seem left-wing.

The DNC did the same with Biden and Clinton and nearly lost both of those times too. It's almost as if they want the Republicans to control everything if it means they don't have to actually advance leftist policy that is good for the country. Even Obama's crowning achievement was a Republican drafted healthcare plan that cemented the private medical insurance model into law.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

My comment presumes her opponent was a rapist fascist dictator. But that wasn't enough for Americans.

And the Democratic Party isn't going to do better because it will only exist in name only from now on. You and others got what you wanted. Now you're going to have to live with the consequences. If you live.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (13 children)

As someone who voted for her, if you could stop blaming others for having strong feelings regarding who they give their vote, that'd be very chill. At this point I am pretty comfortable telling you that you're causing more division and strife than you are helping. And, as far as I last understood, you're out of here, right? If you could do me a favor and stop demotivating those of us trying to stick it out and fix it, I'd take it as a kindness.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I think, in general, it was more apathy. I know too many people with the kind of narrow world view that makes them not see the difference between the two parties. All they see the slow slide into a capitalist dystopia and they just check out. 7 million less votes can’t be pinned on one issue. It was a hundred issues that haven’t changed in forty years.

And honestly, that’s the brilliance of the GOP's insanity. They’ve driven down engagement. Then everything about the Post-Truth Era has reinforced that. This is especially true of the positive aspects of Biden's administration.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

I generally agree with you, and I would also add that the DNC has been happy to go along with the Republican party to advance corporate interests.

It's not like we didn't know a lot of the tactics that the Republican party has employed for the last 30 years. These aren't giant secrets, and they could be combated, except most Washington Democrats don't want to, presumably because their corporate backers don't want to.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

We need progressive representation. Maybe the DNC will clue in ... Eventually. But it would be even better if independent candidates were not eliminated by the two big parties.