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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

These bigoted, ignorant scum will never listen to anything. They are politically illiterate infants with an allergic reaction to reading.

They have ruined a safe space cultivated and cared for, they have turned this place into a new reddit.

I had a dude in my private messages going on about how I was both mutilating myself and other children. Many more people on hexbear have had similar experiences, with these worthless ignorant scum popping in to deliver the political equivalent of a giant shit.

As your friends, comrades, and people you say you defend get slurred at, dehumanized, and harassed please ask yourself:

Is it worth it?

I have the answer, I know you know it as well:

No its not

I used to think otherwise

I was a fool

its not worth a few laughs

even if you dunk all you want, that doesn't take away the knife those people put in our backs.

These bigots, fascists, and NATO liberals are as worthless offline as they are here, why should we give them any attention. They are worth less than the dirt beneath our fingernails. Why should we poison ourselves with their influence? We don't make any room for them offline, why should we not online?

And really

How many essays have your written?

How many sources have you combed through?

How many times have you explained the most basic facts of reality?

How many attempts at good faith?

Only for them to dismiss it in their stupidity. They don't read it, they just crumble and divert back to the programming these little shits trust in more than God.

For every time there is a good faith user, there are a dozen scumbag fascists. And most of the time, the "good faith one" just reverts back to their old shit.

Do you really think losing any member of the hexbear or lemmygrad community, longtime members or not, is worth a few good dunks?

I don't believe a small chance of gaining a new user is worth alienating an entire section of the community. The vast majority of those idiots are lost causes. If they are interested, the can just make an account and ask in good faith.

Is posting a meme to "own the liberals" worth your comrades getting more trauma from bigots harassing them?

No its not.

you've had your laugh, but it should end

Ban them all, SJW, lemm.ee, lemmy, the programmer nazi edglords. Keep Lemmygrad.

Defederate from those communities. We shouldn't sacrifice our own for more clicks. For having to subject ourselves to the opinions of people thoroughly brainwashed? We aren't reddit. We came here to get away from that. I'm sick of this. We are sick of this.

End it now

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

I'm 100% back on completely defeding from everyone. Go back to being the cool as shit site it was before. Everytine I visit it's just non stop conversation of what federations done what fucked up shit and if we should allow it or defed only to obviously defed cause these fucks are always too chuddy. I just don't see what value is being gained. We can still make anroesence on other instances and people who aren't fucks can still make accounts here and enjoy the site.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

This website became a lot less fun after federation, but that’s just like, my opinion, man.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Honestly I stick to local 95% of the time and it's still just frustrating to have some jackass come in and be transphobic and just derail the entire conversation. I generally try to interact in good faith if there's even an inkling, and they either pick a single line to call you out for or they'll ignore it entirely and keep going with their propagandized lines. I've had no actual positive interactions and I've seen very few positive interactions with people outside of Hexbear getting called out for their shit. How is there any room for good faith when they're saying Winnie the Pooh is literally illegal in China, given a photo of Winnie the Pooh at Shanghai Disney and just keep going? They just want to be racist reactionaries and it's making us worse having to even look at it.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I’m sorry those things happened to you.

I think these issues could be mitigated with better user- and community-level controls. If a user could restrict DMs to only users from their instance, that would have prevented the messages you received. And it would be nice if communities on an instance could opt out of federation, even if the larger instance is federated. That way we could federate @[email protected] but not federate @[email protected] if that community is intended to serve as a safe space.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I definitely think Hexbear users do not deserve any harassment. I'd encourage you to name and shame these monsters. There should legit be a name and shame list on the site, the opposite of a whisper network. Admins should pass this information to other Lemmy Admins and mods and see what punitive action is taken against these people.

Communities live or die on their moderation decisions. If the admins decide that work is not worth doing, or it takes too much from their own free time, then we'll start de-federating from lemmy's that can't keep their users in line.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The only good thing I have seen from federating is Hexbear's community rallying (mostly) against the smugly veiled bigotry and capitalist apologia of the rest of the federation.

That benefit has already come and gone.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Ultimately, I support the Admins and mods decisions, the brunt of the consequences fall on them.

I’ve only been active around here a month or so, I did lurk a lot before then, so I realize I don’t have the full picture here. That said, I found Hexbear without federation to the lib instances, I found hexbear through Lemmygrad. I enjoy being part of Hexbear and being federated with Lemmygrad, the Star Trek instance, and midwest.social, I do not enjoy being federated with the general instances. One opinion among many, but I must throw mine onto the pile.

The worst instances all preemptively defed from us, or do it within a couple weeks so it’s sort of the trash taking itself out. Also, I think the Admins and mods have done an excellent job with everything. I’m just here for the good vibes, and that hasn’t gone anywhere as far I can see, and I’m sure that’s due to extra hard work from them! And our posters in the pit engaging the libs so they don’t DM target folks like me. stalin-heart

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's idealist to think the issue is idiocy and not the fact that it's very tough for words on a screen to impact someone's social condition

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