Sorry, my solidarity is reserved for states who DON'T support the genocide in Gaza

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[–] 88 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Just remember in any war of US imperialism the bourgeoisie of the invaded country suffers the least. The people who will suffer the most are the indigenous people of Canada and Greenland who will have their treaties annulled along with the poor and working class who rely on the basic social services Canada offers that the US does not.

Canada as a state sucks and the people in charge would deserve it, but they will not suffer, everyone else will.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago

    Particularly because the main things of interest to the US in Canada are resources and access to the North, both areas where indigenous people punch above their weight in Canada's political economy.

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  • [–] 70 points 2 years ago*

    spoiler(More seriously, revolutionary defeatism is probably the correct stance along side solidarity with any indigenous and socialist resistance groups)

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  • [–] 55 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    extremely critical support while holding my nose.

    because if Satan himself would arrive and attack the USA I would support him.

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  • [+] 36 points 2 years ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (6 children)
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  • [–] 41 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'd play defense for the greenlanders generally speaking. Mostly because they don't deserve to be the proverbial sock with a knot tied in it being tugged on in a war between the Danes and the yanks

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago

    Indigenous Greenlanders are already an absurdly victimised and blighted community now - poverty, racism, exploitation, corporate abuse, and terrible rates of SA - never mind being in the middle of one of the US' imperialist power struggles.

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  • [–] 41 points 2 years ago

    NATO infighting, I say kill-em-all

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  • [+] 39 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)
  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago* (9 children)

    Im actually fully in agreement. Of course, the idea of the USA annexing Canada is laughable right now, but if you entertain it for a moment... it could shatter the entire Western order. Not because Canada could resist the USA, but because it would break the very foundations many people believe the Western world is built upon.

    Even a relatively bloodless annexation has massive potential to radicalize the masses within the imperial core.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    The illusion of Western liberal rules-based order was already shattered when the US confiscated $300 billion of Russia’s foreign reserves in 2022.

    Everyone back then said “the trust of the dollar has been broken”, nobody’s going to trust the US again. That’s completely correct, and what has been unveiled instead is that US imperialism is never run on “trust” or “rules”, but on coercion.

    So, guess what, nearly three years later, the foreign treasury holdings in the US has reached an all-time peak in 2024 at $8.5 trillion! Despite the blatant “stealing” of Russia’s foreign reserves, foreign countries still continue to buy US treasuries like it is the most precious asset in the world.

    The dollar hegemony remains unbroken because there is no alternative to the dollar system, and as long as there is no alternative and challenge to it (to be fair, the Europeans tried, and look how the US properly disciplined the EU), everyone will have to play by the rules set by the US. There is no Soviet Union to save us this time.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago

    it could shatter the entire Western order. Not because Canada could resist the USA, but because it would break the very foundations many people believe the Western world is built upon.

    Yes. The primary argument in favor of NATO and US imperialism in the Eastern Europe is "protection". When the US becomes the invader of a Western country, this facade breaks.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    True, imagine fighting and dying but the purpose was to protect Alberta. YIKES THERE BUD!

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  • [–] 36 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    we really don't think this will happen right? like clearly being used by trump to just distract from the existing shitty material conditions in the US

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago*

    The question is whether this is one of those moments like when trump was first elected in 2016.

    Everyone thought "ok yeah it COULD happen, but things would have to get pretty bad for THAT domino to fall", and then it happened and everyone who wanted to could look back and see that the domino pieces had in fact already fallen, things HAD gotten that bad, and now everyone can say "oh it was obvious" when at the time it was more difficult.

    Same with russia invading ukraine, there were a lot of reasons to believe it wouldn't happen because it seemed like a dumb move, but at the same time there were people (of the marxist variety) going "ok but this is actually a huge number of troops to be stationing near the border and pulling them back would incurr a political cost, and also putin has some reasons to believe he has to do this soon".

    So with trumps contemporary outrageous tweets, which are a step above his former outrageous tweets, like, that "invading mexico/canada/greenland" domino SEEMS to me like it's way far off, and I'm not actually seeing any intelligent analysis on why trump or those around him actually would do this.

    So I'm inclined to think it's bullshit and we're just falling for his shtick like liberals always do

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  • [–] [S] 24 points 2 years ago

    I don't know, this could be one of those bizarre moments in history where Trump is actually pushing on an unlocked door and one year from now theres US National Guard in Calgary and everyone's like "This is Fine" this-is-fine

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  • [+] 36 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)
  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago

    Saw a reddit thread of Canadians all saying they would die for their awful settler-colonial country, and it's like... why?

    Fucking nobody would even have time to die for Canada lmao, all the major population centers, half the vital infrastructure, most of the major military bases, and the capitol are like two hours from the American border

    If the US invaded the war would be over with a total US victory before the news could even start running breaking stories about it

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    No, absolutely, the US turning its imperialism inwards, towards its vassal states, would be funny as fuck.

    Play defense for canada/denmark? i might whip out a trucker hat with a US flag on it lmao

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago

    If someone woke up from a 7 month coma today, I'm telling them this discourse is the result of the Kendrick v Drake beef.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It'd be really funny if the Canadians/Danes used the 2nd amendment more effectively against the American regime then Americans do though.

    It'd never happen because Canadians are even more domesticated then us Americans (And the Danes/Greenland are too small and distant). Just imagining a Quebecois "Lone Moose" getting some politician and everyone freaking out when they realize these FRENCH people are now AMERICANS?? would be peak.

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    [–] 31 points 2 years ago

    I think it wont actually be a cool enough timeline for there to be a war between the NATOs. More likely they just sign some treaty making a North American Union and become defacto territories without a fight while maintaining some autonomy.

    If the Amerikkkan empire really start cannibalizing itself tho i will laugh my ass off.

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  • [+] 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Y'all say this now, but we'll see who's laughing when the Ontario Liberation Front formally establishes the People's Republic of Toronto

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    [–] 30 points 2 years ago

    I know It is stupid but I am kidna down for liberal infighting

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I won’t need to anyways once the marines land in Nova Scotia we’re going to find out just how “brave” the us marines really are when the bottle kids gun for them

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    [+] 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)
  • [–] 45 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    If they draft me I am throwing the first grenade I see directly at the nearest officer

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  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    As soon as they start live fire drills you better believe I'm turning around and blasting whoever's in charge.

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    [–] 21 points 2 years ago

    As others said before it is HIGHLY unlikely to happen....but if the US seriously would invade Canada I would at the very least give critical support to Canada. It would be another mark against the US on the Worldstage if the US invaded or even peacefully annexed one of its closest allies. It would make even NAFO dogs uneasy if that happened. Now this is not me saying it would be good if it happened...but if it happened I feel like it could increase the instability of the Western block by a lot.

    capybara-fancy My 2cents as an Armchair historian

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  • [+] 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)
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    [–] 20 points 2 years ago

    I’d cross the border and start the québécois liberation front. take advantage of the instability and direct that independent sentiment towards some revolutionary peoples’ war

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago

    Well I for one look forward to my future being the kneeling guy in the Fallout intro

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago* (8 children)

    "I'm an anti-imperialist socialist! Oh except for when the target of imperialism is a country I don't like"

    For fucks sake is this the state of western leftist discourse now? Honestly it's not too far from the "I want to support Gaza, but the Moooozlims there are anti-LGBT so yeah...." shit that liberals say.

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    [–] 17 points 2 years ago

    Greenland should be an independent country for Inuit people. Mayos out

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The US successfully annexing more land would be very bad even if those countries themselves are also bad. The US is at or near the height of its geopolitical power and is clearly in a new cold war with China. So I guess I don't disagree, I'm not gonna play defense for Canada or Denmark, but we should play defense for AES countries and the struggle for the global working class.

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    [–] 16 points 2 years ago

    The parable of the sower has a fascist US president declare war on Canada

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