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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

“I’ve talked to so many governors and congresspeople and senators and never once did they say Canada is the problem,” Ford told CNN. He emphasized that a bilateral deal between Canada and the U.S. would be a better solution than imposing tariffs on Canadian goods.

I'm no fan of Doug Ford, but he's right here. I guess Trump's plan is to drive Canada into the ground economically through tariffs then invade or otherwise annex Canada when it's too poor and desperate to resist. But why? It would be more profitable to both the USA and Canada simply not to do any of this. There are only two explanations I can think of:

  1. Belligerence is the only thing Trump understands, even when it works to his own disadvantage, because actual diplomacy is too complicated for him and soft power contains the word "soft", and/or
  2. Trump isn't working for the interests of the USA, but rather for those who want to see NATO and other Western alliances destroyed.
[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

I'm not super well-versed in Canadian politics, but isn't Doug Ford basically a mini-Trump?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 20 hours ago

new england is right there canada like we'd volunteer happily.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Watch out about offering to buy something. Sometimes they force you to go through with it.

Ask Elon.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 22 hours ago

That worked out for him.

He ended up owning the whole fucking country.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago

Or they add a lot more to the deal. New Orleans wasn't worth the rest of it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago

Lamesauce, the correct response to anything Trump says is ....................................

[–] [email protected] 3 points 17 hours ago

North Carolina plox

[–] [email protected] 3 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

Yes, please buy Texas and Florida

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

As someone who lives in Texas, yes please, I can’t afford healthcare

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I mean would you rather join Canada or stay in the United States. Because if Texas gets to join Canada, I'm moving to Texas.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

How much control does Canada have over the provinces? Cause I'm not interested in slightly-Canadian Texas, they gotta go further than that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago

As a Texan, I'd fully support our state becoming part of a newly created Southwest Territories that is governed by Canada.

[–] [email protected] 255 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Following Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s resignation announcement on Monday, Trump claimed credit for the decision, saying that people in Canada “love” the idea of becoming a U.S. state. This prompted Ford to make his own comments about acquiring U.S. territories.

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Canadian MP Charlie Angus rejected the idea outright, pointing to differences in the nations’ laws. Angus stated on X that Canada has rules preventing “sexual abusers” from becoming leaders, a clear reference to allegations against Trump.

I would love to have seen Trump's face when he heard that rejection.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Aligations? Isn't he convicted?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

No. He was found liable for sexual abuse in a civil trial. Convictions are criminal and the standard of evidence is higher.

Basically the courts have decided that it's slightly more likely than not that he sexually abused Carroll, which is all that's needed to win a civil case. Criminal cases are on a "beyond a reasonable doubt" threshold which is much harder to meet.

Frankly, he probably wouldn't be criminally convicted because of the higher standard - the defense in a criminal trial doesn't have to prove the accused didn't do it, they don't even have to prove it's more likely than not they didn't do it, they only need to prove there's a reasonable doubt that they might not have done it. And I think there's just enough wiggle room around it he could possibly skate by.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago

On one hand, that's how a criminal standard of justice should work, to prevent wrongfully convicting the innocent.

On the other hand, that would require the system to be functional and fair in the first place, rather than being slanted towards who can afford the better lawyers, but that's a whole can of worms I don't think I need to crack open here - we all agree on that anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I live in Massachusetts and would totally support seceding and going to Canada.

Can RI come along too? You won't have to worry about their terrible driving, they'd never drive out of the region.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

Yeah but under Doug Ford? Dudes a moron who's made it his personal mission to spend money to remove bike lanes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

i mean toronto/ontario is largely anti ford.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 15 hours ago

They just keep voting for him, or not voting against him. Get it together Ontario!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 21 hours ago

minor compared to the shit show coming up in the US

[–] [email protected] 3 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

We need Vermont to join. It makes sense. Maple syrup monopoly to boot.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago

massachusetts has all the english names anyway it'd be easy to slap the queen on our money

[–] [email protected] 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Stan Marsh? I thought you were in Colorado.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 day ago (3 children)

As a Minnesotan I'm okay with this.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 15 hours ago

I don't think Canadians would have a problem with taking on Minnesota.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If y'all do a referendum, maybe they dont even have to buy it?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Sadly it's completely illegal to separate from the US and most likely will result in the US military invading.

Except ofcourse if Trump sells it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

It was illegal for India to declare independence from Brittian, but they did it.

Minnesota should do this nonviolently. Just secede and if the military invades, dont fight back. The world will watch as Trump uses violence against them, until eventually more States join either Mexico or Canada. Eventually the US will cease to exist, and the ICC will come lock up Trump.

It would be a beautiful, nonviolent end to the US Empire

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago

pff if it's new england new england would just be on the side of canada

source: literally me. i would do that.

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[–] [email protected] 117 points 2 days ago (26 children)

Instead, how about California, Oregon and Washington joining Canada?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Seattlite reporting in. Cascadia Now! I support this and would love to be a part of Canada! Some of us in the PNW have been talking about this for a while now... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_movement and https://cascadiaunderground.org/

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Canadian Californians? That would be totally cool, dude, eh!

[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If this means high-speed rail from Vancouver to LA, sign us up!

[–] [email protected] 66 points 2 days ago (17 children)

I don't mean to be depressing but envying Canada for its spectacular rail service would be inadvisable.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Please sell Minnesota/Minneapolis to Canada. Please. I would much rather be Canadian.

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