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Summary

The “femosphere,” a growing online space for women, mirrors the misogynistic “manosphere” with toxic ideologies, including anti-gender equality views and strategies to “conquer” men.

The term describes communities like Female Dating Strategy and “dark feminine” influencers who reject liberal feminism, advocating traditional gender roles as empowering.

“Femcel” influencers urge their followers to give up on gender equality and use men for financial gain – in the name of feminism.

Critics warn these spaces mix conservative and feminist ideas, creating “anti-feminist feminism” that appeals to those disillusioned with mainstream feminism.

While less linked to violence than the manosphere, researchers caution against its potential for radicalization and harm.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 5 days ago (31 children)

In the femosphere, as in the manosphere, there’s an overarching belief that life is about survival of the fittest, that men will always hurt women and that will never change, so strategies are needed to conquer the opposite gender.

I'm not a massive fan of the guy they nailed to a tree 2000 years ago for saying maybe people should be nice to each other once in a while, but the violent reaction to that suggestion no longer surprises me.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Look we just need to move around small bits of green paper and everything will be fine.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago (2 children)

And then the Vogons show up...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Oh freddled gruntbuggly
Thy micturations are to me
As plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee

Apologies for misspellings. That's from memory.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago

It's okay. The important thing is you counterpointed the realism of the underlying metaphor of whatever it was the poem was about.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (6 children)

To be fair, he also suggested if they worshipped other gods, they'd be punished in hell for it. That's why I'm not a massive fan. But I like the 'be nice to people' part.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

Sounds like a snazzy new bunch of nonsense that's just describing the age old concepts of prostitution and being a gold digger.

In a way they're acting as feminists by proving that girls can indeed do everything boys do, including being assholes on the Internet for fame and fortune.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago

Yeah nothing new here. Just regression.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Wait, femcels are a legit thing? I thought that Lemmy meme group was just a joke.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 days ago

"Female Dating Strategy", at least, has been around on Reddit for years and years.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

I think that the femcel meme group here on Lemmy seem much happier to just post about being horny and I think pretty clearly don't subscribe to this ideology at all.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 5 days ago (7 children)

I feel bad for all the dumb guys who get robbed blind by all these con artist grifters. Whether it's someone like Andrew Tate or some OF model, they're getting taken for a ride.

If there's some young man reading this who has or is considering giving money to a manosphere grifter or some cam model, just know they don't know you, they don't care about you, they only want your money. You're nothing but a mark to them. Get off the Internet, go to church, or go to school, or to the library, or do some volunteer work in your community. Meet a nice girl, in real life, treat her right, and cultivate a real, lasting relationship.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, don't give your money to people give it to the church.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 days ago

Ah, the original grifters for thousands of years.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Can't tell if you dropped the /s here or not...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

If you can't tell, better safe than sorry, get your wallet out. It could be your eternal soul on the line.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Thankfully this is a community that was left on reddit. Same with the manosphere.

There seems to be a lack of gender culture war bs on lemmy that you see on a lot of other platforms. It's good that there is a pretty progressive consensus on gender here. Probably enforced by a legion of trans people, and to that I say thank you for your service.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

The article doesn't really address the brand of revenge "feminism" I've seen on that sub and mostly frames it as women who want to become trad wives because it's easy. What I've seen is that they basically want to find sugar daddies while also really, really hating men in general, especially the "low status" ones.

How did they get to that point? I suspect it's a variation of mean world syndrome, fueled by ideas like the poisonous M&M analogy (understood not as a call to be cautious but to treat every man as if they were bad) and seeing men and women as as coherent classes engaging in warfare. All watered down to simple talking points that fit in a punchy tweet. If men as a group do/don't do this for me then it's okay to be awful to any individual one because he's the enemy too.

Hateful, dehumanizing thinking. So yes, they do mirror the Andrew Tate dudes pretty much exactly, including being trans-exclusive.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago (2 children)

There was one female content creator who I was passively keeping an eye on who just went alt right. She blames other women for having more the ten partners for her inability to find/keep a boyfriend.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm ok with this on one condition...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Fucking hell I lost

But so have all of you.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

The only winning move is not to play.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Damn, I worry this is going to create a lot of psychically and emotionally damaged people of all genders.

My advice to anyone dating is to protect yourself, but be open to the idea that someone may be a good person. If someone can’t be your friend, then they’re not lifelong partner material.

Don’t commit resources to someone until you get married, giving people money for a “relationship” is pretty much the formula of pig butchering scams.

Be careful out there folks.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

“Femcel” influencers urge their followers to give up on gender equality and use men for financial gain

I'm kinda struggling with the math here.

You might be able to date several men simultaneously and get some free dinners and maybe trinkets and baubles, but it would seem difficult to get much more "financial gain" than that given that most men don't have enough money to say, rent a posh apartment for their side dish.

The only way to really get "financial gain" is through marriage, which of course is a game that has been played since the dawn of time, but is not particularly engaging content in that you need to be married for several years to be able to separate and carry off a significant chunk of the marrital assets.

Surely, if you had the requisite appearance and guile for any of this the quickest and easiest pathway to financial gain would be taking money from incels on onlyfans.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 days ago (8 children)

The gender war continues, and my nonbinary ass is sitting back and not getting involved.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago (5 children)

The best part about being in the middle is that both teams hate you! /s

I personally identify as a non-conforming man and the amount of hate I get from traditionalists on both sides is deeply disappointing.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Lots wrong in this article...

“I used to be a feminist before I saw the effects of third wave feminism,” Batra said. “This has forced women into masculine roles where they are pursuing men.”

But that's dumb, for a shit ton of reasons it works out best when women are the ones who first show interest rather than men hitting on anything that moves

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago

I think if it were true that women made moves first sometimes, it would help all of society in ways we cannot even comprehend. It would not be a bad thing. But it's still pretty rare in the places I've lived.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (3 children)

My only exposure to the term femcel was from lemmy.blahaj.zone/c/femcelmemes which appears to be the antithesis of what this article describes. My perspective on some irl comments I've heard has totally changed.

Looking over at reddit for a femcelmemes equivalent it seems like r/femcelgrippysockjail is the closest but damn do they hate men over there. Yet are weirdly cool with trans women?

I'm assuming femcelmemes on blahaj.zone is ironic or just unrelated? Either way, going to steer clear of anyone who associates with that term cuz damn that's a lot of hatred and negativity.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 days ago (2 children)

On one hand? Woo equality I guess

On the other? This shit again? We gonna get a Femdrew Tate or some shit? Eesh.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

“It’s incredibly conservative, but it’s trying to reframe it as being this empowering strategy.”

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago

They had this some 20 years ago, only then it was called “The Rules”.

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