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[–] [email protected] 158 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

If only there was an alternative.
What if we replace vulcanized rubber with a metal ring 🤔

[–] [email protected] 140 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Maybe it could also run on some kind of metal street, to further reduce friction? 🤔

[–] [email protected] 99 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

we could probably manage traffic much easier if switching was controlled vs. random drivers...

[–] [email protected] 73 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

While we're at it, maybe we could install some powerlines to provide the vehicles with electricity. That way they could run on renewable energy.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago

This would also reduce the need for lithium!

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago

Sounds like it'll be rough on the road, but I'm willing to try it! /s

I miss the trains of NJ and NYC so badly, this part of Texas fucking sucks with public transportation. Losing access to a car here has you flirting dangerously close to homelessness. Which is also why I'll usually give a ride to anyone who asks around here.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago

To make sure it doesn't destroy the road we could put metal in them also...

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago

Delightfully devilish, Seymour.

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[–] [email protected] 127 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Geez, here is another issue for which we've known about for 40 or so years that requires "urgent Action" for the past 40 years already

Wake me up when we finally do something

[–] [email protected] 50 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

Boomers have categorically chosen apathy in favor of their own self interests since 1970. By the late 90s, they were a wrecking ball.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I disagree. People who live their entire lives being relentless bombarded by consumerist propaganda and pro-capitalist disinformation are not truly free to vote against it, nor were they given the chance. Al Gore cared more about the environment than Bush, but he was still a capitalist that supported car dependency and the military industrial complex.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

So you're absolving "Generation Me" of ever having to think for themselves? The same generation that could have educated themselves for less than the price of new car, and simply chose not to because a high school diploma was enough?

Millennials were just as heavily, if not more propagandized, and yet, as a cohort, we have skewed far from Baby Boomers (ie Millenials are killing x), while retaining the ability to be critical of the systems we have inherited. We are also far more educated and far more in debt. All as a result of Boomers subsidizing their own welfare on the backs of their children and grandchildren.

Baby Boomers collectively failed upward, soaked up benefit after benefit while telling themselves that they deserved their station in life, and then pulled up every ladder behind them.

So, hard disagree.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

You might as well just take the long nap.

No ones gonna do anything.

We're gonna keep wringing our hands about it, desperately shout time is running out...and watch time run out, then shrug our shoulders and go "Welp, nothing we can do about it now"

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 3 weeks ago (15 children)

If only there was a highly efficient mode of transporting people that didn’t use tires. Ah well, nothing can be done I guess.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 weeks ago

Yes, imagine if there was a fast and safe way of transport. Something like made to run on steel bars in order to reduce friction. I don't know. I'm just imagining, I watch too much science fiction.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

My city's metro system uses rubber tyres, :(

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

I imagine it's still orders of magnitudes better than everyone driving their own car in.

Same with busses. Don't let perfect be the enemy of the good

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

While there's no doubt tires are bad for the environment, a quarter of all microplastics seems a lot, especially since plastic is everywhere. Gladly there's a source for that claim, a link to tireindustryproject's FAQ... Claiming that this number is a gross overestimation. What the fuck is this article? Is it supposed to be satire or something?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I've seen a similar number in a lot of proper scientific sources, so this article may be bunk, but the number is correct I think.

For example this article: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.scitotenv.2024.171003 They claim 27,26% in China.

And this article: https://www.rivm.nl/bibliotheek/rapporten/2024-0106.pdf They claim 24.88% in the EU and state it's among the biggest if not the biggest contributor to microplastics.

I'm all for debunking stuff, but about a quarter seems to be the currently accepted quantity to the best of our abilities to measure.

There is a bit of confusion between the amount tyres contribute into the ocean, how much into the ocean and waterways and how much in the environment as a whole. A lot of it ends up in the soil, so it doesn't contribute to plastics in the water, but still in the environment.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Bear in mind that the denominator is plastic pollution. Most plastic waste does not directly pollute the environment. If it is not recycled then it goes to landfills or incineration. Not ideal, but at least the damage is contained. (The bulk of ocean plastic comes from the rivers of poor countries without proper waste management.)

The issue with tyre microplastics is that it's all but impossible to channel the waste. It's the same with synthetic fabric: just washing it creates pollution that's really hard to control.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

The other big offender are synthetic textiles btw.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Those reusable grocery bags made from recycled plastic? Disintegrates into dust eventually. And in your household to while it does so.

Use either natural fiber or nylon(more durable and by default, PFAS free).

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

This is also yet another reason SUVs are bad: bigger tyres, higher weight, more wear, more pollution.

It's also another reason to have lower speed limits: less friction, less wear, less pollution.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You want trains because they are good for the environment.

I want trains because chugga chugga choo choo.

We are not the same.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

What if we wrapped the tyres in bags to contain all the dust?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Action won't happen. In fact, we'll increase the amount of pollution!

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

That’s on top of all the brake dust cars spread.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)
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[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

so, basically, drive on three wheels and the problem's solved?

[–] [email protected] 45 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

If all you bike owners drove unicycles we wouldn't be in this mess

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

But electric cars will fix everything. Thats what electric car manufacturers said!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The only thing I see amerikans taking 'urgent action' on is making sure a few select convicted criminals avoid doing any prison time.

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