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Pope Francis condemned the "very strong, organised, reactionary attitude" in the US church and said Catholic doctrine allows for change over time.

Pope Francis has blasted the “backwardness” of some conservatives in the US Catholic Church, saying they have replaced faith with ideology and that a correct understanding of Catholic doctrine allows for change over time.

Francis’ comments were an acknowledgment of the divisions in the US Catholic Church, which has been split between progressives and conservatives who long found support in the doctrinaire papacies of St John Paul II and Benedict XVI, particularly on issues of abortion and same-sex marriage.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

It's organized crime and mob taking over America. And they are already in...

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (60 children)

and that a correct understanding of Catholic doctrine allows for change over time.

Isn't god supposed to be unchanging according to their book?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

That's actually more of a doctrine that is made up by the organization and less something explicitly stated in the book. There probably are some psalms or other references that use the word (translated as) "unchanging", but in context, the original audience would probably not have interpreted it in the same way. Think God's love and power will never fail, not God will literally never experience anything or change. In the 10 commandments story, Moses has a conversation with god and changes his mind.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fuckin hell America, you annoyed the fuckin Pope?

That's usually reserved for genocidal maniacs 😂

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I mean he's right, but maybe he wants to add his institution to that list as well.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean the church caused a lot of this.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Religion in general is pretty backwards as well.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Didn’t this guy pay a personal visit to the christofascist who refused to grant a gay marriage license September 2015? Guy wore a similar hat anyway.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Has he met the Catholic Church?

Inquisitions? Witch burning? Who does he think did extremism biggest and best?

Sure, now they mostly just coverup for paedophiles and rampant baby murder at orphanages, but they were the OG extremists, let’s not kid ourselves.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The pope: "maintaining rigid and unchanging ideology is bad and room for change and growth must be allowed"

You: "um excuse me but hundreds of years ago the church killed people"

The church sucks ass but this is the absolute worst take regarding this specific post.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Those are the same people who called Jesus weak so I think it's a bit late for the pope to weigh in

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Note that he said this in a private conversation, not an official statement.

He will backtrack on this in less than a week, he always does this little dance.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Replacing faith with ideology - so doing things because you think they are right is worse than doing them because god tells you to?

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