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Becoming a default to have it installed in Windows. On a personal machine, it’s easy to fix. In our work environment, we just made sure it’s on the image by default. You can also circumvent a windows store block by installing appx stuff in Powershell.
I can use HEIC on Arch (btw) just fine. As I recall there's some bullshit you need to download on the Microsoft store to get it to work. It's a pain in the ass.
As much as I love to hate on apple, any of this format shit is 100% Windows bullshit. It's not just pictures, with shit like webm, or some random video codecs it'll ask you to FUCKING BUY! But even shit like Windows only supporting some like 3 file formats from the god knows how many out there. Ever since I switched to Linux (heck, even fucking MacOS would do better) all this stopped being an issue. Fuck windows for literally only supporting their special selection of formats. There's a good reason why the first step of many people installing windows is also Installing VLC or MUCH superior image viewers. Because Microsoft chooses to not support most things out there!
Exactly. Android's default image format is HEIC as well. Jpeg is outdated and needs to die already.
And today I learned that HEIC is not a proprietary Apple format
I had my phone taking photos in HEIC for a couple months. i ended up switching back to .JPG because both signal and whatsapp stuggled with it
All my default photos are jpg. What's wrong with that?
It’s a 32 year old format that makes pictures worse in order to save space. A lot changes in the tech works in 30 years. While there may be nothing inherently wrong with it, there’s far better image encoding algorithms these days that can store images in less space without reducing the quality as much.
JPG is not bad, but it uses more storage space for the same quality compared to HEIC/HEIF
How many distros support h264/265 out of the box? They probably don't support most HEIC images either since they're HEVC on the inside
Almost all of them? They may prompt you to install additional codecs but thats it. Most software displaying images support thoose image formats. Man we have vlc to display any format
That's exactly the same case as Windows. The built-in photo/video players don't support them out of the box, but do if you install the free codec from the store, or you can install any 3rd party players you like.
There are lots of great things about Linux, but out of the box support for licensed video codecs isn't magically better than Windows
I am talking about the prompting "on install". Its just add on install and everything works. That sounds like out of the box support for me
Windows now supports other formats than BMP. It's already a huge progress.
They started to support svg (which is 23 years old by now) in Office a month or so ago. What a time to be alive!
Obviously, they wanted to get it just right.
We even got GIF! Now that it's starting to show its age.
How many browsers open it natively?
Only Safari.
This is not a coincidence, Apple purposefully make it painful to use anything with any of their products unless it's one of their products
Leaving aside that this one is Microsoft’s fault, how is it painful? Do you even have an iPhone? And if so, how often do you move images to your PC from it, without those images going through an intermediary service?
This is not an Apple thing. Android phones use HEIC by default as well. This is a good thing. HEIC uses smaller file sizes and has fewer artifacts than JPEG.
None of my 3 Android phones used HEIC by default.
Yea ... no, sorry to say but this one's on Microsoft. I get it, hurr durr Apple expensive and elitist, but they know where to put up their walled garden and where not to. For example they used to have their own video container .mov but they're way past forcing something like that onto iPhone users. And even back then, the actual codec they committed themselves to in those days was H.264, a standard that's open to adoption by anybody. You can easily turn an old .mov into an .mp4 or .mkv without needing to alter the actual content of the file and that content is playable by pretty much every media device built in the last 15+ years.
HEIC isn't Apple's thing it's from the MPEGroup, also easily licensable by anybody. I guess the reason why it wasn't part of Windows 10 from the beginning is because they both came out in mid 2015. Windows 10 seems to have adopted it for viewing (and later editing) in 2018 but they make you hit a stupid download button in their store to get it so that's lame.
HEIC is a much better-compressed format than JPEG that all Androids support; iirc JPEG XL (kinda dead) and Google's WebP are the only other big-name formats with better photographic compression. Windows was the only major operating system that chose to have consumers separately pay the patent fee, none of which goes to Apple. Since Windows 11 22H2, HEIC images work out-of-the-box.
Webp breaks my balls, save a pic from online and it saves with the chrome logo and then doesnt work.
For W10, you install an app to get the codec, then you’re done. It’s built in on W11. Same as HEVC video which is used very commonly in piracy. Are pirates out to make it “purposefully painful” or are they just using modern codecs? Android also can save to HEIC or AVIF.
Here's the free oem app as an msix package as Microsoft removed the store link. link
(yes I did accidentally upload it to the wrong collection, but I don't think I can change that)
GIMP opens HEIC and WEBP files and it's available on all operating systems.
Have you got compatibility turned on in the photos app?
I didn't take the photos.