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The top reasons voters gave for not supporting Harris were that inflation was too high (+24), too many immigrants crossed the border (+23), and that Harris was too focused on cultural issues rather than helping the middle class (+17).

Other high-testing reasons were that the debt rose too much under the Biden-Harris Administration (+13), and that Harris would be too similar to Joe Biden (+12).

These concerns were similar across all demographic groups, including among Black and Latino voters, who both selected inflation as their top problem with Harris. For swing voters who eventually chose Trump, cultural issues ranked slightly higher than inflation (+28 and +23, respectively).

The lowest-ranked concerns were that Harris wasn’t similar enough to Biden (-24), was too conservative (-23), and was too pro-Israel (-22).

We have a lot of work to do. The general public doesn't understand their own economic system and blames everyone except Capitalists for their eggs costing $5 instead of $2.

Also those numbers around "Israel" and Palestine... yikes

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

Imma be honest, fucking :doubt:

I’d like to see a detailed breakdown of who they actually polled for this data, but I see a big problem immediately. This is a poll of people who voted which, yeah, obviously those people swung towards Trump, that’s why he won. I don’t give a fuck about what those people think.

The people to ask are the 14 million who voted for Biden and didn’t vote this time. In particular the subset of those who were in swing states. And that’s the group that just last week we found was 6X more likely than the average American to care about Gaza.

This is a bad poll for finding out useful info about this election and electorate. This is polling all the patrons at a steakhouse about their eating habits and finding that none of them are vegan. Yeah, no shit, you’re polling in a steakhouse.

Maybe this is just me having too much hope about the morality of Burgerlandians but these numbers just do not line up with all of the polling we saw before Tuesday. I think by the nature of only asking people who did vote you’re automatically selecting for people with shittier views, because only people with shittier views voted in this election.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago

Agreed, this doesn't really explain why the Dems LOST votes, which is the bigger factor here

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Honestly the more I think about it the more frustrating this poll is, I don’t just think this is unhelpful for these issues in this election, I think this is a stupid methodology for any election that doesn’t have compulsory voting.

By the very nature of polling people who voted you’re inherently selecting for people who agree with at least one of the candidates, more likely the winning one. In a system like the US where elections are won on turnout and not changing votes, that’s completely fucking useless when it comes to figuring out what went wrong and how to win future elections.

You went to what is statistically a Trump rally and were shocked to find that everyone you polled supports Trump.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

A poll from a few days before found that 34% of respondents in Pennsylvania would be more likely to vote for Kamala if she vowed to stop giving weapons to Israel. Michigan it would’ve been a bigger shift than that.

That simply does not line up with this Blueprint poll, but of course it doesn’t because those are the people you’re specifically excluding from this poll.

Edit: Sorry I was misreading that and giving them more credit than they deserved. That 34% was among all respondents, if you looked at undecided voters who voted for Biden in 2020 it was 57%. Undecided voters who voted for Biden being the people who lost you this election. And similar numbers play out in every swing state.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Got any links for this? Seems like very useful analysis.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Here is the poll I’m talking about, and a couple articles talking about the poll 1 2 and then also this one from months ago because we’ve known this since before Kamala took over the campaign and have been screaming it the whole time.

@[email protected]

It’s a somewhat small poll but not that small and big enough to draw some conclusions from, even if it’s twice the margin of error it’s still a huge number.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

Hit me up with a link to that poll so I can have of on hand when you can.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

I’m in that group and it was the genocide, but I’m also a hexbear and don’t know anytime else like me.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

these numbers just do not line up with all of the polling we saw before Tuesday.

the-democrat It lines up with my views!

biden-the-thing That's right, Dem. Nothing will fundamentally change the Jackocrats.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

We have a lot of work to do. The general public doesn't understand their own economic system and blames everyone except Capitalists for their eggs costing $5 instead of $2.

who eventually chose Trump, cultural issues ranked slightly higher than inflation (+28 and +23, respectively)

Chapo as relevant as always

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

these analyses just ignore the nonvoters and pretend the same set of people votes every time

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The lowest-ranked concerns were that Harris [...] was too pro-Israel

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

This is just depressing. I know I shouldn't be surprised because this happens everytime, but it's still always so disappointing.

Guess humanity is screwed.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

Not surprised when people are propagandized from birth here. It is disappointing though. It is really amazing how effective the messaging from Republicans has been though