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[–] 144 points 2 years ago (10 children)

I don't know if this is a hot take, but I think allowing straight and cis people to identify as such is appropriate, because the alternative assumes that we live in a state of default heteronormativity.

If anything, I want to live in a world where homophobes get mad that if they want to be assumed to be straight online they have to identify like anyone else. No one gets assumed to be straight any more. That's better imo.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    The default should be "I'm horny" but unless I specify you have to guess who I'm horny for.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago

    as an almost maximally privileged person (cis straight etc), i want my whining fellows to shut the fuck up. Just stop. Stop taking up all the god damn space. Just be quiet. It's okay not to be included in every scene all the time.

    Your point about not assuming people are straight by default is valid. But I mostly just want some cis-het folks to stop embarrassing me by being fucking insufferable.

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  • [–] 69 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The quotation marks are a nice touch. Quality trolling.

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  • [–] 62 points 2 years ago*

    Finally, representation for gay people who are into irony.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Brooo you can get the title of shithead? Why would you wana be labeled as straight when you could be shithead instead? lol. That's what I would go for haha

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (26 children)

    Obviously that steam guy was probably coming from a place of bad faith, but the response is maybe imperfect no? This would look pretty bad if the roles were reversed I think. (genuine question I am hoping I am told why this may not be the case; I have nowhere else to ask)

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    It's okay to take context into account and not just look at it as a math problem. Targeting a minority isn't the same as doing it to people who make up 90% of society but are whiny.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I totally agree that an unacceptable proportion of straight people are whiny about any manner of minority representation, but doesn't this also affect straight people who are normal about this? Maybe it'd be more fitting to give a demeaning title to homophobes, eg. the steam complainer, but provide regular title to everyone else somehow? Thanks for taking the time!

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

    I mean, are straight people who are normal about it clamoring for the title to begin with? This seems like a problem invented basically entirely by the whiners. You could just as easily say it affects gay people who want an ironic title, or straight trans people, but for obvious reasons the whiners don’t really care about that.

    All that said I have no idea what the price tag means in terms of gameplay time to acquire it. If it’s unachievable without 10 hours of grinding or something that’s a little mean, but not enough that I really care.

    (Edit: accidentally a word)

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah a title in some fishing game definitely seems like a really strange thing to be upset about (and yeah you're totally right that this doesn't just affect cis straight people). I'm just saying that the presence of only that title for people who would like a regular version or don't care about titles and just see it in passing might feel unwelcome through no fault of their own y'know? (Though obviously feeling unwelcome would be a little ironic)

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    I’m just saying that the presence of only that title for people who would like a regular version or don’t care about titles and just see it in passing might feel unwelcome through no fault of their own y’know?

    I completely agree with this. For example, they don't currently have a gender fluid title. Most gender fluid folks may not be clamoring for them to add the title but if they joined the game and saw that the gender fluid tag was harder to obtain for no discernible reason, was in air quotes, and had the description "mhm" I think they would feel pretty unwelcome. Also - a lot of people won't know the context that there were people complaining about the lack of the title.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    I haven't played the game for very long, but from what I've seen it would take a few hours to get to the point that you can just get a thousand bucks and blow them on a title, but it's entirely doable. You would have to focus on upgrades anyways to start with just to get a proper income up and running, and then once you can fish with greater speed and with a greater success rate it should be fairly trivial.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (16 children)

    I don't think its ethical to portray straight people in video games at all.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    Bioware is well ahead of you. Haven't most of their romanceable NPCs been bisexual for ages now?

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    Any game that doesn't make all NPCs "opportunistically bisexual" pisses me off. Quit locking content behind my character's pronouns.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    For my part I didn't mind that so much in Cyberpunk 2077, I just played it multiple times with different V characters.

    But then I can see that it's a big time investment and not good for everyone.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I DEMAND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY OBJECTIFICATION IN VIDEO GAMES

    NO /S

    Except some aces here and there, for the homies to talk about books with.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    Obviously that steam guy was probably coming from a place of bad faith

    The Steam forums actively encourage this kind of bad faith behavior:

    1. when a post gets a new reply it's moved to the top of the forums. So as long as people are engaging with a post, even if it's just to make fun of a bigot, it keeps getting pushed back to the top.

    2. Users can "award" posts for various things (helpfull, cool, funny, etc) and users have taken to giving 'Clown' awards as a way of making fun of posts. Whenever one of your posts gets an award, you are given Steampoints you can use in the Steam cosmetics store.

    This results in every game having bad faith posts "complaining" about wokeness so that people will make fun of them with Clown awards as a way to farm Steampoints. The developer bringing attention to it just helps them get more.

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  • [+] 14 points 2 years ago (9 children)
  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Thanks for your opinion straight person

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

    I don't think it's inherently a "straight" issue to think the topic of sexuality can be out of place at times. I don't think the topic of sexuality should be taboo like it has been historically but, like many topics, I think there's a time and place for it. In my eye, the only time I need to know a person's orientation is when I find someone I wish to pursue something with since it's a key aspect of my chance of success. I believe what someone does and is into is a closed doors affair; it's their business, not mine. Plenty of times someone's sexuality is held above someone's head, quite literally in the case of this casual fishing game where I feel it doesn't even slightly belong. In these situations, I find myself made uncomfortable because the topic is very mismatched for the context. We're standing here fishing, so why are you bringing who you like to bang - or not, as the case may be - into the conversation?

    And huh, would you look at that, I didn't bring my own orientation into the mix because it's not needed.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Plenty of times someone's sexuality is held above someone's head, quite literally in the case of this casual fishing game where I feel it doesn't even slightly belong

    As a gay dude with a rainbow hat IRL this made me lol. I’m not wearing it to pick people up, I’m wearing it because I’m not ashamed of who I am. It’s not any different from wearing a wedding ring, couples shirts, or any of the million other displays of heterosexuality that you see and don’t think anything about.

    PS: even if you are gay, internalized homophobia is a thing. Feeling that it’s super inappropriate to mention that you’re gay unless you want to fuck someone falls under that.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    You may not believe it, but most of our behavior is motivated by sex and appealing to our desired mates. Even if you rationally say you don't want to pick up anyone with your rainbow hat, the original impetus to do it at all comes from a biological mind that is designed to reproduce. Being confident in who you are is a desirable trait in a partner, thus making you more attractive, thus contributing to your biological goal of reproduction. Yes, you have more rational reasons for it than just that, but it's extremely likely that the wearing of the rainbow hat feels good to you because of million years of evolution to optimize reproductive success.

    And yes, even homosexual people are subject to that, even though they technically can't reproduce. Which I think is pretty funny honestly xD

    It's also interesting that you bring all the heterosexual signals up as some kind of counterpoint... but they serve the same goal.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    If a community was fighting over something so trivial like this I'd consider leaving the game entirely.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    Then you should probably leave every game, because you can probably find some dumbfucks that argue about this everywhere. There are less than 30 people posting on this Steam discussion linked.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    On this topic, I remember seeing a thread for Frostpunk 2 asking if it had DEI stuff in it.

    There aren't even any real characters in Frostpunk 2. Tf are you talking about DEI for in a game with no real characters?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Wait... This is an entire game? I've seen memes of it and I thought it was about an update to Animal Crossing.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago*

    It's very fun, feels like a return to simple web chatroom type games that I've really been longing for. It's real enjoyable if the idea of casual fishing with some random people seems appealing to you!

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    Spam G in support.

    Meow meow meow.

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