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ive been telling you so. lula is equivalent to biden at best, just letting the pigs run rampant and taking the moral high ground for not helping them out.
i dont think we could call him "left wing" for a while now. he hasnt been leftist for the better part of a couple of decades. he does pay some awesome lip service when he is inclined to.
Yea I think he got a lot of goodwill bc his opposition was fucking bolsonaro, but I mean his admin has had some not great interactions with indigenous people in the Amazon and tons of other things of that sort, like this thing with Venezuela.
Another example of “I wish this lib was as cool as right wingers make them out to be” bc all the Brazilian gusanos that my mil was friends with think he’s basically Stalin
He also send brazilian soldiers to occupy Haití during the UN mission which was a plot by the USA to overthrow democracy in haiti
Yea that’s a big one for sure
I think a lot of Lula is the second coming of Stalin is basically the politically impoverished US media brain rotting sip back into the periphery.
Lula is not an extremist he is probably closer to a 60s soc dem politicians. The re-distributive policies that his party did managed to increase a middle-class, but the political education was not put in focus within the population. The same middle class that was created would eventually breed his opposition support.
Lula is the second coming of Stalin
Lula is not an extremist he is probably closer to a 60s soc dem politicians.
I think Lula openly said he was inspired by FDR, China and the Eastern European Bloc (which he visited during the 1980's). So Lula is basically a socdem with good foreign policy most of the time, as long as it doesn't interfer with Lula or his party's internal political ambitions. Maduro is not a radical/extremist either, he pretty much is a moderate inside the Chavista movement, he knows how to be pragmatic, which is why some leftist are critical of him.
The re-distributive policies that his party did managed to increase a middle-class, but the political education was not put in focus within the population. The same middle class that was created would eventually breed his opposition support.
True, but the middle class always hated him tbh. They only voted for him because they couldn't stand Bolsonaro (2022) or FHC (2002) anymore.
i mean he was part of the pink wave, so theres that. i think the biggest problem is that he already extracted all the concessions he possibly could out of the ruling class and all thats left is watching they take it all back because he essentialy demobilized the budding leftists movements we had.
BRICS serves an anti imperialist function vs the west but it’s not an explicitly left formation. i would love it to be more than it is and it’s still a good thing but it’s important to keep expectations in line w reality
He's a lib, that's what's up
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Why the fuck would any country have veto rights anyway? have they learned nothing?
This is where leftist solidarity matters and these stupid fucks can't make it happen.
Pretty shitty of lula really, you can tell Lula decided to punish Maduro over not cooperating with Brazil about the election results.
Over not playing along with Brazil’s farcical and condescending patronizing bullshit*
Another user here talked about this, there were some other reasons. Most of them are selfish, I think the main one was that the second round of the municipal elections, Lula probably did not go to the meeting and vetoed Venezuela and Nicaragua (Actually I could not find articles about Nicaragua though, and someone said it was not even the final list, it was just a pre-list) so his own party and coalition did not have more problems because of Lula's meeting with Putin and Maduro (They did ok in this election, I think they just had a big defeat, but to be honest it was a difficult election for Lula's candidate to win. A pleasant surprise was the victory of the Workers Party in Fortaleza and in the South, before a very pro-Bolsonaro region, but which has a large presence of the left due to rural workers), the Workers Party having an unexpected runoff against the Liberal Party (Bolsonaro's party) in the Center-West, a region that the Workers Party was never strong.
What's up with Lula? Well the article outright says it!
"Lula was scheduled to travel to Russia for the summit, but cancelled the trip after injuring his head in an accident at home on Saturday."
But really, it seems like a combination of standard squabbling, and also that perhaps Brazil prefers the potential benefits of being the only country in South America that is part of brics.
Honestly, what are those potential benefits? Because that's not how economics works.
Idk what Brazil sees as the benefits, but to my analysis, they see whatever benefits of being the lone brics member in South America as worth more than expanding it with Venezuela, else they would have let them in.
Maybe it's not economic but political and the political power that let them have power to single handedly VETO and be the ones to stop Venezuela from joining could be potentially lost or atleast lessened? (Not saying they'd lose veto power, more of a "soft" loss of power)
I just can't believe it starts and ends with a silly ideological disagreement over validity of Maduros election records. Considering there are already multiple different economies and ideologies in the group, I don't see why the relatively minor disagreements on those fronts would be the deciding factor, so this leads me to believe it's not that. (if China and India can agree, Venezuela and Brazils disagreement has no excuse to get in the way).
Also, would you care to explain how that's not how economies work? It's my understanding that as long as Brazil is the only link to South America, then any interaction that has to do with South America would reasonably pass through Brazil first, right? They would be the "hub to South America" so to speak?
Intermediation is good for power but not good for economics. Mutual thriving is objectively better for economics along every measure. Intermediation only works when you're doing either a colonialism or a neocolonialism, both of which the global south is soundly dismantling. For Brazil to decide to intermediate an entire continent economically is to be engaged in theory from the early 1900s.
I think the geopolitical considerations are more useful to us in analyzing the situation. The USA is starting to threaten Brazil over joining BRICS. The USA is also rabidly anti-Venezuela. I think the veto fits far more neatly into this dynamic where Brazil does not yet wish to create a strong schism with the USA and so is maintaining some level of rapport to avoid some Monroe Doctrine shenanigans from sending high velocity projectiles towards Lula's brain.
What's up with Lula?
Lula was scheduled to travel to Russia for the summit, but cancelled the trip after injuring his head in an accident at home on Saturday.
bro got concussed
I am too, as well as Lula skipping the summit. Fuck him to be honest
Yeah that shit was not ideal :/