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EM POC WEEKLY THREAD 10/14/2024 (hexbear.net)
submitted 2 weeks ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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Remember, EM POC only!

I still don't have power, so I spent a lot of time at this cafe that is open late just to ensure that I have a full battery. I stayed there until they closed.

As utterly fucking frustrating as this is, it seems as if Tuesday/tomorrow is the latest I can expect to have power. So many houses around me already seem to have it.

I might be able to actually sleep with ease again as my room won't be disgustingly hot anymore. I could complain about it for ages, and I could get a lot more vulgar too, especially considering the whole fucked up context of the American government being more invested in putting in billions to fund fascist operations in Isn'trael and UKKKraine instead of providing relief to their own citizens that just endured the wrath of a very rough, cheek-clapping hurricane.

amerikkka isntrael ukkkraine

Ay, ay, ay...

How are you all doing?

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago

I love my people to the core but I hate when Black folk use Malcom X, W.E.B. Dubois, or lite Pan-Africanism as inspiration and aren't even at least a socialist. Like what are you even doing?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Anyone sometimes feel like you forget how lmayo this site can be until you see something that makes you go like madeline-deadpan and other HBs are just giving it a pass?

I don't know how to phrase it, but...

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

Yes

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think we discussed it on one of these threads before, but some of Kelly's comics stray uncomfortably into heavy sterotyping territory and no one seems to really say anything. And I get its satire, but you can be satirical without leaning on stereotypes.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

https://hexbear.net/post/3696232

Yeah, something something a wee bit of a Freudian xenophobic slip comes out of em...

Now of Hexbear, I've prolly been too used to the lmayo to notice it but I think the only one that slightly irks me is when it came to c/vegan making a meme against POC? carnists who claim their diet is part of their non-west culture

It's not bad on its own, but it kinda rubs the wrong way with me (admittedly I'm not a vegan so I'm not qualified to constructively criticize it)

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As a POC mod of c/vegan, I approve of it because I'm wholly aware of the angle of where this kind of comment regarding carnist takes on culture comes from. It comes from people refuting a red herring that vegans inevitably end up having to address due to some carnists on the left having bad faith complaints about vegan advocacy.

Vegans are not, unprompted, going after any particular culture for being carnistic. It wouldn't make any sense because every single culture throughout history, including Western European ones, has been carnistic to some degree. However, some people from cultures in Africa, India, etc., on average, consume fewer animal products than those in western countries, but there has never been a society that has upheld veganism as a universal, strong core tenet that's practically inherent to their society, in which they see animal exploitation as unequivocally wrong and to be condemned at all times.

For this reason, a lot of carnists who divert to takes such as "What about this culture that's heavy on meat consumption?" and the like are being entirely disingenuous. Many of these carnists, but not all of them, are white people, so they're literally exploiting a non-white culture as their own excuse for not going vegan. In addition, speaking from my own experience, a lot of carnists who do this neglect the voices of principled vegans of color, and they are just going for an extreme reach at painting veganism as reactionary so they can feel as if it's not at odds with their leftism for them to be carnists.

Ultimately, being historically marginalized does not justify oppressing others yourself. Just as one would say Zionism isn't justified due to antisemitism, TERFism isn't justified due to misogyny, and transmedicalism isn't justified due to transphobia, human supremacy isn't justified just because a group of people has endured colonialism. There are also literal Indigenous people and people in post-colonialist states who agree with this, but they often get neglected.

I'm not critical of identity politics inherently obviously, but when you have a subject that gets as much disingenuous concern trolling as veganism, it seems like people redirect to these absurd accusations of racism and colonialism just for the sake of making veganism baselessly sound more malevolent than it actually is. For this reason, I do not give it a pass as a valid complaint.

That being said, it absolutely is possible for a vegan to be culturally insensitive, racist, or have a colonialist mindset, but I do not believe that saying "Culture does not justify carnism" is what necessarily indulges in such a mindset at all.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Extra

Vegans are not, unprompted, going after any particular culture for being carnistic. It wouldn't make any sense because every single culture throughout history, including Western European ones, has been carnistic to some degree. However, some people from cultures in Africa, India, etc., on average, consume fewer animal products than those in western countries, but there has never been a society that has upheld veganism as a universal, strong core tenet that's practically inherent to their society, in which they see animal exploitation as unequivocally wrong and to be condemned at all times.

As should be known

For this reason, a lot of carnists who divert to takes such as "What about this culture that's heavy on meat consumption?" and the like are being entirely disingenuous. Many of these carnists, but not all of them, are white people, so they're literally exploiting a non-white culture as their own excuse for not going vegan.

Huh, I forget to remember that such posts are not without provocation from the carnist side, usually of the west and other supporting reactionaries

but I do not believe that saying "Culture does not justify carnism" is what necessarily indulges in such a mindset at all.

Well... I stand corrected... I guess I had a gut reaction to the post... there's alotta brainworms in my head to remove...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

I salute you for acknowledging the brainworms and the incentive to self crit! sankara-salute

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

Shit, I'm like that with almost every leftist space I'm in save the organization I'm in

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

No I get it. Some post make me pause. I like to give the benefit of the doubt but that's so hard to do with wypipo

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

me when the local communist party are trots: madeline-deadpan

they called china state capitalist and imperialist boohoo

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

tho at least i got a chance to talk to a chinese guy after who tagged along and we had a good conversation abt china and the global south

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I hope you get power soon angel meow-hug

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

I hope you find some power!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

In tiktok i saw a drama from dragon's den that was about some kkkanadas trying to sell gentrified bobba tea saying all others were unhealthy or had unknown stuff in them.

Crakkkers love to steal stuff and then say the original is bad

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago

Typical shit. Best boba I’ve ever had was in Canada in a random viet mini mall food court stall, it was cheap and delicious and they gave me free ice cream too :)

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've been seeing this around too. My question is, literally what makes their tea more special than going to a shop and getting it fresh? It's literally tea, why do they act like they're inventing something new.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

its only because its canned and bottled its not even the first company to do it, they implied that all other boba tea has strange and unknown contents and theirs is safe because its bottled

also they said "its not an ethnical product anymore" as a positive

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They should have been laughed off the stage.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

at least they didn't bring up MSG right

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago

So sorry you're going through this Angel, hope the power comes back on for you soon.

Well, I'm busy being disabled I guess. I'm pondering whether or not I can go to my school's communist theory meeting today or if I'm still too crashed out to do anything.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

reading war of the flea and I reached the part about isr*el, cognitive dissonance

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

nine sols is such a good game but the ppl around it saying it’s based on taiwanese mythology are so annoying lol. no, it’s chinese mythology that han chinese people brought over, not indigenous Taiwanese mythology from any of the indigenous Taiwanese peoples. it’s literally just mainland Chinese mythology and people are insistently calling it “Taiwanese”. that’s erasing indigenous Taiwanese people and also just plain wrong.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

"Taiwanese", huh from that rogue province?

"Taiwanese" to me, strikes me as a broad term for provincial self-identification in Taiwan

Could refer to waishengren (usually pro-unity), benshengren (usually it's separatist proponents) or indigenous people (yuanzhumin)?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

im looking at getting it for the steam deck, i had it on my wishliat forever. if you played hollow knight and the controls were tight, i didn't get that feeling in dead souls. how are the controls in nine sols, does it feel responsive?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

i'll be honest, i haven't played it myself, i've just watched playthroughs of it and hollow knight fans generally seem pleased with it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Taiwanese Han culture is just Fujianese culture. The "patron goddess of Taiwan" has more temples dedicated to her in Fujian. Xiamen and Kinmen are identical in culture even though one is administered by the PRC while the other is administered by the ROC.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Looking at how the climate will end up, even in the best case scenario my country and many others in Africa are fucked in the long term. This being caused by the same nations that have exploited us for fuck knows how long, dehumanised us to the point of lunacy and so much so that they have fucking pseudoscience dedicated to it, have been behind a fuck ton of destabilisation in the government, benefitted from the brain drain of some of the best and brightest yet still treat em like shit. Not to mention the same groups wiping out entire continents of indigenous people.

All this for most of the wealth go into the hands of bloodsucking execs, pedos, genocidal kleptomaniacs, racist manchildren. The more I think about it the more puzzling it gets.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've been so busy with the bus agency

Lots of paperwork and the most intense part of training hasn't started yet. I'm excited but nervous. Mostly nervous because I haven't driven any vehicle larger than a panel van.

But we had a bus driver meet and greet today and lots of them have never driven a large vehicle before they started.

So it was reassuring, this change of career will bring the best out of me.

cuddle

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

you're doing a public service, bus drivers rule

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Wtf