Storms Helene and Milton have triggered rise of misinformation stoked by Trump and fellow Republicans

Meteorologists tracking the advance of Hurricane Milton have been targeted by a deluge of conspiracy theories that they were controlling the weather, abuse and even death threats, amid what they say is an unprecedented surge in misinformation as two major hurricanes have hit the US.

A series of falsehoods and threats have swirled in the two weeks since Hurricane Helene tore through six states causing several hundred deaths, followed by Milton crashing into Florida on Wednesday.

The extent of the misinformation, which has been stoked by Donald Trump and his followers, has been such that it has stymied the ability to help hurricane-hit communities, according to the head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (Fema).


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[+] 254 points 2 years ago (27 children)
  • [–] 174 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

    Killing education is definitely a big part of it, but controlling every news source in huge areas and pumping outright lies and disinformation 24/7 can eventually break down anyone living in that environment.

    These people desperately cling to hierarchy. Bad people go to jail, good people don't.

    These people never hear about Trump being bad, and only see him slip though the law effortlessly.

    All they see is Trump being innocent and not getting in trouble at all, ever, for anything. Half of all politics and nearly all Media hide or obfuscate Trump's insanity and incompetence.

    So many voters see a president everyone they know and talk to adores, getting dragged by Democrats to no effect.

    "If he was guilty he'd be in Jail, but since he's not in jail Democrats must be liars and everything Republicans say about him is true."

    Easy, thoughtless conclusions that reinforce their worldview and solidify them as supremely correct.

    Now, they'll certainly move the goalposts once he is in Jail, because they will also never admit they were wrong about anything because if they're wrong about Trump, they're wrong about their entire worldview and that's something they are not mentally able to do.

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  • [–] 42 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Yet they're the same group that will accuse Russia, China and a whole bunch of other countries of lying to their citizens and controlling them with propaganda.

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  • [–] 47 points 2 years ago*

    There's a long history of Americans and other Westerners thinking it's all those other countries that do propaganda. Meanwhile, the less propaganda you see, the more effectively the propaganda is working on you. Americans are some of the most propagandized people in the world.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    No, the same group will praise Russia for being strong and their citizens being in line, and will say something incredibly racist about China. These people aren't informed enough to have opinions about the police-states of other countries, and the talking heads at Fox News don't vomit one into their mouths.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago

    The damage Rupert Murdoch did to public discourse and society in general – not just in the US, but in the UK, Australia, and elsewhere – will take generations to recover from. That man was a cancer on all of us, and it seems his son is happily taking up the mantle.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (16 children)

    Nah. That's bullshit. You don't have to be a high school graduate to discern fact from fiction here. The issue is much deeper and broader. Anything the government does, the Democrat government does, is bad because they're out for you. You need to dig deeper in to why these people are falling prey to the brainwashing of the far right extremism and conspiracy theories. A lot of these people are very well educated. Fear of the unknown is far more powerful than a college degree. I'm not knowledgable enough on the subject but I'm sure a handful of books have been written about how people fell for Hitler's regime.

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  • [–] 137 points 2 years ago

    Everything is a conspiracy when you don't know how anything works.

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  • [–] 117 points 2 years ago (15 children)

    -Conservatives hate FEMA and want it dismantled.

    -Conservatives hate the National Weather Service and want it dismantled.

    -Conservatives hate climate science and want it to be silenced.

    -Conservatives now also hate meteorologists.

    How 'bout we compromise. Let conservative states be opted out of all of these things by default. Bundle these services into an opt-in government program called "Obama and Hillary's Woke Weather Service". They can opt in by calling 1-800-4 Pelosi. If all this stuff is just woke liberal propaganda, then they shouldn't mind this at all. They should be thrilled.

    Let them find out about storms and let them deal with those storms without all of our woke liberal interference. Let them pray and let their God sort them out. In this way, they get everything they are demanding so they can stop whining like a bunch of little bitches all the time. When they have disasters, we can save some of our hard-earned money and just toss them a roll of paper towels like their dear leader likes to do.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Honestly it would be funny to see Biden do some of this. He only has a few months left and can do whatever because of the supreme court. He could just go on TV an be like: “You know what? The conspiracies are true. We’re gonna turn off the doppler radars in southern states. No more flying. No more weather forecast. We’re going to ban farm laborers to come harvest your crops. The unpredicted weather is gonna ruin the crops anyways. We’re going to stop FEMA from giving aid in your republican states. Communism is unacceptable. We’re gonna ban fossil fuel in the south because that drives the weather crazy. No more cars. Enjoy the 1800s. Bye”

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Hey -- I live here and can move but a lot of people are impoverished and can't. Feels wrong to collectively turn the back to them

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago

    To those who disagree with the above:

    • Moving is damn expensive.
    • Don't forget that the Republicans are working hard to prevent legitimate voters from voting, namely anyone who is more likely to support NOAA, NHC, climate science, education, FEMA, etc.
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    [–] 74 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    If you live in the south east and you are repeating conspiracy theories about the hurricane. May you rot in hell.

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    [–] 52 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    This is absolutely baffling being from practically any other English speaking country.

    I mean, we have our share of crazies, but they're a tiny proportion.

    It's one thing to doubt the well established climate science (very frustrating), but it's another thing to actually believe humans can precisely control the weather.

    It's extremely troubling knowing these people exist, and can vote in the most powerful country on earth.

    😬

    Something, something if you believe in things without evidence (religion) it's not actually that surprising. And we (Australia) are much less religious than you. Though, this is certainly my bias talking.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    This is relatively unique to the US because there IS a conspiracy. And it's orchestrated by an unorganized, disconnected cabal of wealthy elite... conservatives, who have for decades advanced a remarkable campaign of anti-intellectualism. The noted scholar Donald J. Trump eloquently described their aims when he spoke about how they "love the uneducated."

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Even being in the US, it is just as baffling, yet it is also somehow completely believable because some of us get to see it up close.

    It’s insane knee-jerk team sports by people who tend to not get affected by certain social issues.

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    [–] 51 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Death threats to meteorologists - as one does.

    Does anyone but me think that's simply insane?

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago

    I thought I was past being shocked by things like this, but it still shocked me,

    We are experiencing a bizarre confluence of terrible things. Large numbers of people have checked out from reality, which is bad. Meanwhile, more and more people are willing to resort to extreme violence toward anyone who disagrees with them, which is worse. The combination is incredibly destructive.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    Of course it's insane! To threaten these absolute gods who wield the power of nature (and also accept part time work explaining their plots on television.)

    Is their plan to shoot someone who can summon hurricanes?

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  • [–] 43 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I see the Kremlin has been hard at work, spreading chaos just before the election, the same way they do every time.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago*

    The Kremlin may have had to work hard in 2015-2016, but I bet they don't need to work so hard now that MAGA has become self-sustaining. No doubt they're doing their bit, but these days they have more help than ever from inside the USA.

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    [–] 35 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    What's going to happen if (when?) a meteorologist actually gets murdered over this?

    If I were a meteorologist, I would refuse to go on the air after that. Could you blame any of them for wanting to preserve their own lies? Which will inevitably lead to more people getting killed in weather events.

    This is so fucked up.

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  • [–] 44 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    It's anti-vaxx all over again. I knew these people were insane and stupid, but still, "anti-meteorology" wasn't on my bingo card.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Except worse, because I know some meteorologists from my time working in local TV. Doctors get into medicine much of the time because they want to help people. In my experience, meteorologists get into it because they think the weather is really fucking cool and they love telling people about it. That's a much smaller incentive to keep doing what you do when your life could be in danger. At that point, and again I'm just speaking for me, meteorology would become a hobby.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    This has already played out exactly as you’re predicting: The Weatherman Who Tried to Bring Climate Science to a Red State

    In 2021, Chris Gloninger, a television weatherman in Boston with a passion for climate science, was approached with an intriguing prospect. Would he consider a job as chief meteorologist at a television station in Des Moines?

    It was a smaller market, and talk of global warming would be challenging in a politically conservative state. But research from 2020 showed that most Iowans were interested in news about climate change, and the state was a leader in wind energy. Mr. Gloninger’s weather forecasts could be a breakthrough.

    He quit after death threats.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago

    And that's just threats. If/when one gets murdered, it won't matter if it's a red state or a blue state. They'll all consider their lives at risk. In an occupation that, unless you're a storm chaser, is not one where the person doing it thinks is going to be an issue.

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    [–] 30 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I just saw someone on Facebook saying the aurora being bigger than usual was caused by the weather radars.

    I mean ignoring the fact that the aurora has gone through phases for all of recorded history, the amount of energy it would take to generate that is enormous. Do they think we've launched a bunch of nuclear power plants into orbit to power these things? Or maybe the giant nuclear power plant in the sky might be the real reason?

    No, they just don't understand the scale of things because they're used to their small town thinking. Just like they don't understand how much a billion dollars is and why one persons shouldn't be allowed to have that much while others have none.

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    [–] 26 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Why is Trump allowed to keep spreading this unethical horseshit?

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    [–] 25 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    If Milton had stayed Cat 5, this could have been a self-solving problem.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'm a Republican who Does Her Own Research and it's OBVIOUS that these WEATHERMEN are causing our Problems and NOT the Billionaires who gave our Supreme Court Justices MILLIONS in Gifts and Vacations! All this Pollution IS LEGAL!

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    [–] 22 points 2 years ago

    I don’t want to live on this planet - in this star system anymore.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago

    When reality is too hard these people will always make up a new one and retreat into conspiracies to help them cope.

    What, you want us to help save the planet? But that would mean some sacrifices... No, the hurricanes are caused by the libruls and their evil weather machines, not us. Next. Meteorologists are just the scapegoats in their collective delusions.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Doesn't the Noah's Ark story involve some sort of bad weather?

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Is... is american dream is being as dumb as possible?

    No healthcare, no welfare, no higher education. But I thought you had at least schools there.

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    [–] 11 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    I work at a meteorological institute in Europe and we also get phonecalls from angry imbeciles insulting the meteorologists.

    My passion for science and curiosity peaked when I got the job. Now I realise everything is a pipe dream if we do not revolutionise education into something that makes more decent philosophers of us all.

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