At first I really wanted to say "good, now they are treated the same as the Lebanese people living alongside them" but no, that definitely isn't "good" by any real measure of this word. I hope this whole tragedy will stop soon.
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It won't stop until either Israel is disarmed or there is a complete change of people in charge of Israel and criminals like Netanyahu, his entire government and IDF commanders are sent to prison.
That latter option won't cause much change. Israel is, as a state and as a people, ideologically poisoned. They need something on the level of the denazification of Germany before you can hope for any change.
I am not disagreeing with you but you need to start somewhere. Sending Netanyahu, his government and senior IDF officers to prison for war crimes would send shock waves and could be a trigger of wider changes.
Ideally, I would like to see Northern Ireland power sharing solution in Palestine/Israel where each office is shared equally between Israelis and Palestinians. That however in my view can only follow after justice for the victims is achieved first and the perpetrators are in prison.
Honestly, I don't think justice for Palestinians is likely. As I see it, peace is inevitable but moderately far at the pace we're going, but justice would require a perceived violation of Israel's integrity that Palestinians will never have the bargaining power to demand. It'd be throwing a wrench into a peace process that will likely be reluctant and fragile already. Justice would be nice to have as an addon, but Palestinians will likely choose to take the fastest route towards human rights, which will be a two-state solution where Palestinians make some concessions but gain a state with real sovereignty. If something drastically changes justice might become possible, but in my thinking it'll be Palestinians, not Israelis, making concessions to make peace possible a la the Oslo Accords.
Honestly, I don't think justice for Palestinians is likely
Sadly, you may be right.
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I get what you're saying. It frustrates me that anyone thinks citizenship matters when it comes to civilians getting bombed.
I mean morally it doesn't, but it should matter for the US that it's citizens are getting bombed. More than just a moral failure, America not acting to protect those citizens indicates its failure as a state. It's very much worth pointing out.
There are 6,000 Americans trying to leave. We've evacuated 100.
What the fuck is going with my country? Biden was supposed to be a vote for the status quo after a crazy 4 years but now it feels like we're right back in the Trump years.
It's neoliberalism protecting capitalism
Nah, there's nothing about capitalism to protect here. I would agree that's part of their support for Israel, but not getting our own people out of the way doesn't make sense with that.
Caring more about war profits than human lives is pretty capitalism
Or just plain racist.
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Responded to the wrong comment- pre coffee. Not braining today, deleted it with an apology for off-topic’ing your discussion.
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Well, that's because they are.
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