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[–] [email protected] 62 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Killing Europeans is a great way to be a steward of the environment tbh.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago

Right. why would I minecraft 1000 Africans to help global warming when I can get the same effect with a single cracker

[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 months ago

Oh, so they "were no angels."

Hm, I wonder what conclusion I should draw with this new information thonk

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Reading Blood Meridian right now and if there's any accuracy to the violence what the Comanches did to the US Army early on in the book absolutely pales in comparison to literally anything the Glanton gang gets up to, or even just the Judge

White people are the most fucked up by far

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

I think that's kind of the point, right? That McCarthy shows this "barbaric" scene towards the beginning, and then shows the supposedly "civilized" people act far worse. Like, no wonder the Comanche did what they did!

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

People whose land was invaded by murderous colonists weren't peaceful? surprised-pika

Also your example is fucking Pocahontas? Not only is it a children's movie, it's some serious settler whitewashing if anything.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Pretty sure the girl was like 13, too. Like the real girl, the Pohwatan girl.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago

She was definitely underage, although almost everything related to John Smith was made up for the movie.

I always thought this was by far the weakest of the 90s Disney movies, but after finding out about the real, not so romantic story I haven't been able to watch it at all.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

Scalping was done everywhere in the world for as long as there have been people. But it was Europeans who put bounties on Native Americans by offering money for their scalps. Usually an adult male's scalp was worth twice that of women and children scalps. The US government paid a bounty for it all the same.

So it's no wonder Native Americans retaliated by scalping white colonizers alive. You'd do the same if your family was murdered for less than the price of a horse.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 months ago (3 children)

White people finding some kind of middle ground between racist "the red man is a barbaric heathen" and (different but also racist) "actually the natives were hippie noble savages" challenge: impossible.

After roughly 1600 it was virtually impossible for Europeans to encounter natives as they had existed before Columbus. Their reality was downright apocalyptic in some cases because of the spread of disease that preceded European explorers and settlers, sometimes by almost a century.

Imagine if the natives had made ships and sailed to Northern Italy and made landfall in the immediate aftermath of the Black Death or landed in Germany during the height of the 30 Years War. They'd have records about how wild shit was, too. "They don't trust outsiders, they're superstitious, and I saw them stab a guy." No shit, you're seeing them during a time of world-historic tumult and upheaval.

And that's not even touching the whole colonization, displacement, and active genocide parts of the equation.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It is wild that one of the biggest turns of world history seems to be that my ancestors were so filthy there existence was a bioweapon.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The Europeans weren't as unhygienic as the hyperbole would have you believe, it's more that they had diseases that jumped from domestic animals to humans that the natives had never encountered. The whole idea that medieval peasants were rolling in mud and manure all day isn't accurate. They didn't take baths often because baths are impractical. They took sponge baths. They didn't wash their outer clothes but not many people wash their winter coat today, either. They'd wash the linen underclothes they wore under the outer garments. I mean, cleanliness to be desired, and other regions and cultures at the time were bigger on the hygiene thing, but they weren't all looking like Pigpen from the Peanuts comics.

They were probably filthy as shit when they arrived, though. Months on a boat with a bunch of people and live animals. Just big wooden petri dishes at that point. Yuckers.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Fair, I was speaking too loosely They were very cleain. Using ash to make a strong simple soap they were simply riddled with pestilence while being surprisingly tidy

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

They still did some really gross things, like centuries of medical practitioners deciding hand washing was optional, and dying of dysentery constantly whenever they gathered into armies.

It is interesting how the people in the industrial era were probably dirtier and in worse health than their medieval forebears because they were all clustered in cities drinking poo water and breathing fumes and smog which impacted respiratory health so tuberculosis was having a dance party in everyone's lungs.

duck-dance

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

wish i could be rollin in mud

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The apocalypse had happened even before the mongols arrived, the aztecs were basically a horde from the north that ordered the destruction of all historical records that disagreed with their mythology and worship of the war God. That's part of why the other groups initially thought the Spaniards were gods coming back to save them.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Various indigeonous South American groups: "You've freed us!"

The Spanish: "Oh, I wouldn't say 'freed', more like 'under new management'."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

You're talking about the lowland guarani after being mistreated by the incase, not the tarascans after being mistreated by the mexica

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

White people finding some kind of middle ground between racist "the red man is a barbaric heathen" and (different but also racist) "actually the natives were hippie noble savages" challenge: impossible.

The US military loves naming weapon systems and vehicles after the "barbaric heathens" that are also "noble savages" and wants to basically LARP their crudely imagined energy while standing over their graves. hypersus

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Between this, the Odyssey (or illiad?), and the world war II tweet, is he on a history kick or something?

"Hey, I love the Greek classics and think American colonization and the Germans in WWII need to be reevaluated" 🚩🚩🚩

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

He's a pretty classic white marble profile pic guy. I would imagine he reads 1/4 to 1/3 of many popular pop history bools at least a few times a year.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

You set quite a high bar expecting he reads anything.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago

Trying to justify what happened to them huh...

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago (2 children)

"Lies My Liberal Teacher Told Me" is, for obvious reasons, incredible "Patriot's History of the United States" energy. I really need to wonder if the author really has something to say or just saw a left-ish book get some traction and knew they'd be paid to go "nuh-uh."

None of them will ever even match "The Incoherence of the Incoherence" for their titles playing on the title of what they are trying to refute, let alone "The Poverty of Philosophy".

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 months ago

"Lies My Liberal Teacher Told Me"

I sometimes forget how most of Burgerland still sees "conservatives vs liberals" and would be baffled to see me saying "yeah, fuck liberals" knowing whatever else about me.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

The fact that they’re doing the “no u” bit for a thirty year old book is just chefs-kiss

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago

How DARE a native population defend their land from hostile colonizers!

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I have many words but would you believe it they're all in Minecraft!

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Oh yeah you think the holocaust was bad but have you considered the Warsaw ghetto used VIOLENCE?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

I'm so glad norm popularized the Warsaw Ghetto analogy, because it's so useful for drawing a line between acceptable and unacceptable violence.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago

You know whats funny to me its trying to go back to this "oh no but liberals don't like violence" even though Trump was almost killed and the entire country almost completely just said sigh don't miss next time.

How is he so completely out of touch with reality? Even the current DNC shills for Kamala trying to downplay a literal genocide, how much more of a contradiction do you need? To pretend the peace at any cost liberal actually exists anymore is insane.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Did I miss that hitler smol bean thing? what-the-hell

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago

Yeah, I posted it a bit back, but didn't do follow-ups because it was flooded with liberals glazing over Winston fucking Churchill (because the cryptofascist concern troll claimed that Hitler good and Churchill bad) and I didn't want to put that up here.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago (2 children)

"Lies my liberal teacher told me" could have been an awesome title in the right hands.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Yeah, really. sicko-wistful

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

It's a bad parody of Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong (1995)

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

John “greed is good but only when it’s capitalists being greedy” Stossel.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

Ayn Rand said the slaughter was cool and good because the people living on that land didn't exploit/ruin it enough.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Imagine this person's rage if you were to make a video regarding 9/11 and saying the same thing, "the (not so) peaceful Americans"

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

Even though it would be much closer to truth, since how much evil decisions destroying people lives were made in the World Imperialism Center?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago

I meant to say this last time, but it won't be long before one needs to pledge their fealty to the white race in order to log in on Twitter.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago

Alright this dude seriously needs to be "deported"

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Movies like Pocahontas

pronouns "And while we're at it, purple dinosaurs don't love you and the Sun is not a giggling baby smiling beneficently upon you!"

billionaire-tears "Oh..."

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

the Sun is not a giggling baby smiling beneficently upon you

oooaaaaaaauhhh

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Only video of stossel I want to see is schultz slapping him https://yewtu.be/watch?v=GeJepvj5tn4

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

That's hilarious.

"I think it's fake"

*whack*

Just, instant reality adjustment.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

But that same teacher totally told the truth about Russia during the 20th century, I'm guessing? But no, the government is lying to you about bad stuff they actually never did.

Elon Musk in a nutshell:

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

THE NEW PUNK soypoint-1 the-republican soypoint-2